I think it stems from the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind and becoming a liberal. To a liberal everyone else is just “ignorant” and they are the enlightened ones. They can’t even imagine that someone who disagrees with them actually has reasons to do so, they’re just “ignorant” according to liberals.

Oh dang, this reminded me I’m out of baking powder and need to get more when I go shopping. Thanks random witch doctor conspiracy theorist!

I think you misunderstand me, I agree with you about the conspiracy theories. It’s absurd nonsense. Once you start getting to that level of “all the planes were faked and all the pilots were made up” or whatever you’re just ignoring reality, which ultimately, is what the US state department wants from people. Ironically, the conspiracy theories play into their hands perfectly.

The conspiracy theories like “controlled demolitions” or “hologram planes” or whatever are all nonsense, but the idea that the US ruling class knew about it beforehand and benefited from it fits into their usual M.O. and isn’t any sort of leap in logic.

He was going to, but by sheer coincidence the Saudis beat him to it.

It died in the Beaker culture

It died in Vietnam

Good call. It’s easy to fall into the trap of assuming too much one way or the other, especially if you live in the west and the media is just a non-stop stream of “China Bad.”

And when they try to go off script literally all they have is “no u!”

I wish they could understand just how pathetic they are, bootlicking for imperialism. But a smug lack of self-awareness is a key component of liberalism.

It amazes me how we will literally call out liberal behaviour before it happens, and yet they just repeat exactly what we said they would. It’s like they have 0 self-awareness and are just capable of spouting the same half dozen thought terminating cliches over and over again.

They always think they’re so clever as well with their “witty” comebacks. I notice they’re always ignoring responses that they can’t actually challenge. Nothing says “my position is the correct one” quite like just pretending the people who point out the flaws in it just don’t exist and only focusing on the people insulting them.

It’s always projection with westerners, same as when they say that the people from (insert enemy country here) are bloodthirsty and violent and therefore must be destroyed.

It feels like trying to explain that the Divine Right of Kings is nonsense to a medieval peasant. They just flat out don’t seem to get it and worry that if they think about it too much, it’ll make God mad.

electoralism can’t work, voting won’t fix this

voting for the democrats is bad

It’s much more a case of electoralism does nothing to help the working class people, only the rich and by voting for the parties and participating in their system, you’re accepting their false idea that voting for one of two genocidal parties is the only option.

So it’s an idea that electoralism will do nothing to stop the genocide, but will provide support for the very system that has lead to this “choice” between two actively genocidal parties. The US tries to frame itself as a democracy, but if the people actively opposed the system, recognising it as undemocratic, the ruling class would need to actively give concessions to the working class, or face revolt.

It’s like a worker’s strike. If your boss treats you like shit and doesn’t listen to anything you or the vast majority of their employees say, then you make your voices heard one way or another, if the “official channels” for making your voice heard don’t work, then you need to use a different method, the alternative of passive acceptance of the system does nothing but show the people in charge that they can continue on their current path and people will do nothing to stop them.

So since the democrats refuse to budge on this issue of genocide, we can surmise that “electoralism can’t work, voting won’t fix this.” as the powers that be will not change their minds on this issue. Voting for the democrats shows that despite them actively supporting a genocide, the voting public won’t “strike” and will meekly accept anything they do, regardless of how horrific it is. So this is why “voting for the democrats is bad.”

It’s true, basic human empathy was invented in 1984 by Vladimir Stalin in order to destroy the west.

“American Sinologist” has some big “making sense of the savages and their strange oriental ways” kind of vibes.

I’ll take things said by both the WSJ and smug western ultras for $500 Alex.

I do wonder how this period in history will be looked at in the future. Will this been seen as a strange and incomphrensible state of affairs? That people will wonder how the US and the west could ever have justified their behaviour? Will this just been seen as the end period of the “white man’s burden” era? Will there be people who fall for the propaganda centuries or even millennia from now, the same way we still have people falling for propaganda pushed out by the ancient Romans?

“Pre-military age potential Hamas Militant”

I think a part of it, in the west at least, is the 24 hour news cycle that is constantly fearmongering. Conservatives are reactionary, and the best way to get people to just react instead of act is to freak out the lizard part of the brain and make it think they are constantly under attack.