I’ve noticed through-out the years that a lot of people on forums like Reddit and Lemmy have very weird and unrealistic ideas about what having kids is like.

I might note here as a Finn that this prudishness concerning the naked human body seems very American.

You’re not allowed to go to a public sauna in your swimming wear here. And if you’re a dad and have a small daughter, you’re obviously going to have her in the men’s changing room. And when I was a kid, I was in the women’s changing room with my mom.

Even at parties it’s not uncommon to have a mixed-gender sauna where everyone is naked. I’d say most commonly it’s women wearing a towel and men wearing nothing, or if it’s in a sauna near a beach/lake then people will have their swimwear on most times.

Still, just being naked isn’t considered sexual in any way. You can even see the non-sexual nature for about 50% of the people who are naked. (Vis-a-vis their lack of visible arousal.)

You genocide defending fucks make me sick to my stomach.

“More legally and specifically” as if “ethnicity” isn’t well defined in international law. gtfo noob.

it’s really not, is an individual state in the US considered to be it’s own ethnicity? Genuine question.

Does the state share cultural and historical background with the rest of the NATION-STATE they belong to? Yes. They do. They share a cultural and historical background.

am i going to tell them what to do? No, it’s not my fucking land, and it’s not my fucking government. This is literally not my problem to answer.

So if you lived a hundred years ago, you would say that the Nazis aren’t on “your land” and thus “literally not your problem to answer”?

We live in an global interconnected world and you bet your goddamn stinky arse that it’s also your problem, no matter how indirectly. The war in Ukraine isn’t your land, thus “literally not your problem”, right?

Russia’s war in Ukraine has caused significant disruption to global wheat markets. Wheat prices are estimated to increase by around 2% globally.

And that’s a very simple example (for what I assume is a very simple person), but people could list literally thousands of ways how this is your problem as well.

because i’m not even sure this would be classified as a genocide, it might be.

Do you live under a fucking rock?

https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

The motherfucking INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT has said there are “reasonable grounds” for a genocide, and their standard of proof is a bit higher than some random asshole online who admits they don’t know anything about anything that’s outside of America.

In the South Africa v. Israel Order, the Court was unable to draw on reports from UN human rights investigative bodies for its factual assessment, as none exist yet. However, for potential incitement to genocide and possible genocidal intent, it referred directly to statements made by Israeli President Herzog, Defence Minister Gallant, and (then) Energy Minister Katz. Furthermore, the Court took into account statements by UN bodies (such as OCHA, WHO, CERD), high-ranking UN officials (like the Under Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Commissioner-General of UNRWA), and UN experts. Overall, plausibility emerges as a notably flexible standard, contingent upon the specific rights, claims, and factual circumstances presented before the Court.

ICC case-law aligns the ‘reasonable grounds to believe’ standard with the ‘reasonable suspicion’ benchmark used by the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) in cases concerning pre-trial detention (for example, Abd Al Rahman, §28). According to the ECtHR, Article 5(1)© ECHR requires sufficient elements ‘to satisfy an objective observer that the applicant could have committed the offences of which he was accused’ (§32). In Şık v. Turkey (No. 2), the ECtHR emphasised that ‘it is essential that the facts grounding the suspicion should be justified by verifiable and objective evidence and that they can be reasonably considered as falling under one of the sections describing criminal behaviour in the Criminal Code’ (§§121-122). Notably, regarding the factual aspect of the existence of the ‘reasonable suspicion’, the Court required the government only to demonstrate (which it failed to do) the ‘plausibility’ of the acts described in the charges. In this case, at least, the Court suggested that plausibility may be sufficient to establish a reasonable suspicion.

The ICJ’s determination that there are plausible violations of the Genocide Convention in Gaza could therefore carry weight in the ICC’s assessment whether reasonable grounds exist to believe that a crime within its jurisdiction has occurred. Although mere plausibility of the criminal acts may seem too low a standard to accuse an individual of grave crimes, it is important to recall that proceedings under Article 58 of the Rome Statute represent an initial phase. Only at the trial stage does the Prosecutor need to establish that a crime within the Court’s jurisdiction has occurred.

http://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plausible-genocide-in-gaza-and-its-implications-for-the-international-criminal-court/

It beggars belief that people like you exist; saying that what is very clearly an intentional genocide isn’t one and that no-one should do anyone about it. Do you have no fucking morals? Were you just brainwashed so horribly on your Birthright?

If this were real life, you wouldn’t even dare to say aloud that “why would it even be considered a genocide”, because you’d be so ashamed because everyone would look at you like the drooling moron you are.

Educate yourself https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

You acting that childish — proudly — is honestly making me sad in real life.

The implication of the first comment of this thread is that there are “both sides” to this. There aren’t. Who exactly is saying “Palestine is committing a genocide on Israelis?”

Trying to pretend both sides are in any way “as bad” is exactly the type of shitty propaganda Israel keeps pushing. The same type of rhetoric the Nazis used. It’s so fucking ironic that Jewish people are now committing the heinous crimes they were the victims of 100 years ago.

Ah the old “implications don’t exist”.

Pretending “both sides are accusing each other of…” in cases like this is a textbook example of bad faith arguing.

I am.

The point is that him demanding there’s “both sides” to this is true as much as it would be true that “both sides claim the other has false science” when arguing Flat Earthers.

It’s disingenious and bad faith to pretend there are “both sides” to this. There aren’t.

I can show you thousands of pages and people talking about Israel committing genocide on Palestine.

Can you show me a single page where anyone says that PALESTINE is committing trying to commit genocide?

Hint: google “palestine genocide” and “israel genocide” and tell me just how many links concern Palestinians being the victims of a genocide and how many there are saying they’re committing one?

Yes, Israel loves to yell about “Hamas is trying to kill us” but Hamas isn’t Palestine and an attack on a country doesn’t qualify as genocide. Not to even mention how hypocritical it is of Israel to accuse Hamas of a genocide in the current situation when they’re fervently trying to deny the genocide they’re committing in broad daylight. Almost as ironic as you saying my arguing is poor. Thanks for the laughs, lol.

id…” The fact that you feel the need to accuse someone you’ve never seen of being a kid instead of pointing out what’s actually wrong

INSTEAD OF

I very clearly pointed out what’s wrong with your.

But the argument I’m making is that both sides are guilty of claiming the other side is defending genocide

“Both sides”

See. You’re pulling the ridiculous “both sides” bullshit.

The argument that one side is defending genocide is bad faith

No it isn’t. You’re just pretending it is, willfully ignoring the reality of the situation. Israel is most definitely defending a genocide.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

https://apnews.com/article/world-court-israel-genocide-gaza-south-africa-65b087102893dd06222370b10f0b4e4d

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Accused of committing genocide against Palestinians, Israel insisted at the United Nations’ highest court Friday that its war in Gaza was a legitimate defense of its people and that it was Hamas militants who were guilty of genocide.

More than 23,000 people in Gaza have been killed during Israel’s military campaign, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. That toll does not distinguish between civilians and combatants. Nearly 85% of Gaza’s people have been driven their homes, a quarter of the enclave’s residents face starvation, and much of northern Gaza has been reduced to rubble.

… this amounts to genocide and is part of decades of Israeli oppression of Palestinians.

“The scale of destruction in Gaza, the targeting of family homes and civilians, the war being a war on children, all make clear that genocidal intent is both understood and has been put into practice. The articulated intent is the destruction of Palestinian life,” said lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, adding that several leading politicians had made dehumanizing comments about people in Gaza.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976

#Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza

Yes, “rather than”. Do you know what those words mean?

It doesn’t mean the same as “in addition to”, does it?

“Everything else you say is completely…”

You are the one pulling an ad hominem, not me. You ignore my answer to your “argument” and go on to attack my person. Your entire argument is “without the context of the site we’re on, no-one could know what this is referring to”, as if this was some sort of “both sides” bullshit, which you claim to despise.

It’s not. Everyone knows Israel is genociding Palestine and not a single reasonable person would argue that Palestine is trying to genocide Israel.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/ga12599.doc.htm

During the day-long discussion, speakers were near-unanimous in demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and warning against the catastrophic consequences of Israel’s assault on Rafah, where more than 1.5 million have congregated. Many underscored that while the adopted resolution represents the first step towards fulfilling the international community’s obligations to Palestine, ensuring its full UN membership is imperative.

Israel’s assault on Rafah.

Fuck your equivocating teenage propaganda bullshit.

Those are like K or L cups lol.

Tit loans please.

Can I loan a pair of DD’s for a few weeks. I’d like to see how they suit me.

You don’t understand what tbe words “ad hominem” or “genocide”

Mean.

You’re a little kid larping a philosopher. Badly.

To be clear, the “genocide” Israel supporters (unfairly) accuse others of defending is the Hamas attack on Israel, where Hamas killed unarmed civilians at close range, proudly recording it on video

In a highly charged ruling in January, the court ordered Israel to do everything in its power to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza

Again, you don’t seem to understand what “genocide” means.

It’s not “both sides”. “Both sides” do not have cases in the ICC about being accused of genocide. Both sides do not have convictions from the ICC that they need to do all the can to stop genocidal actions being undertaken.

You genocide defenders make me fucking sick. Grow some balls and question your brainwashing.

ethnicity

¦the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common cultural background or descent.

Of course it’s an ethnicity. The mental fucking gymnastics you genocides defenders come up with.

because frankly, not my fucking problem.

We live in a global, interconnected society. Yes, it is your fucking problem, no matter how indirectly.

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

What the fuck are you smoking?

Outside of shitty Israeli propaganda, no-one thinks Israel is under the threat of genocide.

And who think that Israel is committing one? The rest of the fucking world.

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven.

— Desmond Tutu

Even before that, we had formidable defence force.

Just us alone, with EU’s largest artillery, but on top of that, NORDEFCO and the defence clause of the EU.

But NATO is a bonus yeah.

Also when “conspiracy theory” automatically reads as “bullshit” to everyone, actual conspiracies get looked at less.

And to remind everyone “conspiracy” is just a plan by two or more people to commit a crime. A much more mundane term than what it’s current connotations would suggest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Unless you’re a spy who ran from Russia (and basically not even then, as we have supo), why would that matter?

Unlike the US, Finland has and continues to successfully avoid Russia meddling in it’s affairs.

We got labour protection, social security and have among other things, fixed homelessness.

Yes, there’s a lot of issues as well, but compared to other countries, I’d say the average person is fairly well off in Finland in terms of financial security. Mental health is a whole other matter, though.

I’ll let anyone buy a Finnish residency. Just pay me a to-be-agreed-upon sum and then we’ll get married and it should be quite a done deal. Perhaps need to keep addresses the same on paper for a few years but that’s it.

Hit me with them offers.

Yes, abusing drugs of other classes can cause depression too.

Who ever argued it didn’t?

A depressant, when not abused, relieves symptons of depression (and even when abused, often relieves them upon intake).

It also relieves those symptoms despite being abused.

on drug abuse and addictiveness are incredibly flawed in the first place. That doesn’t make your anecdotal experience from a drug ward

I literally emphasised how anecdotal experiences aren’t evidence enough, which is WHY I LINKED ACTUAL PEER REVIEWED DATA.

My point is not that CNS depressants don’t cause depression from abuse, but that it’s just a result of abusing drugs, not the fact that they’re a depressant class drug.

And you’re wrong. First off, research the difference between the terms “addiction” and “dependence”, and then read the science I just linked in my previous reply.

You’re willfully ignorant, pretending you understand a subject you’re barely conversant in. (Why do people feel the need to do this online?)

I used the analogy, because it’s literally how the depression causing part of downers caused psychological depression; by long-term CNS depression.

That’s why alcoholism is so strongly linked to depression. Just like benzo abuse and opioid abuse, but unlike meth, speed and other stims, which tend to cause mania.

(I feel like I’m repeating myself here. Probably because I am, and you just keep ignoring the actual science, because it proves you wrong and you’re not man enough to admit to having not understood something perfectly.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8238014/#:~:text=Studies have reported that prolonged,medications for non-pain symptoms.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/risks-effects-dangers/depression#:~:text=Alcohol can not only lead,reducing or stopping alcohol use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9834328/

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.138.11.1508?download=true&journalCode=ajp

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ajp.2006.163.7.1149

“Hi, I’m Gabe”

Isn’t linked?

That’s just wrong. Correlation is a link. The long term high dose use of any CNS depressant correlates with actual depression (the psychological issue [I added the brackets because you seemed to miss when I specified the difference earlier.])

Oh wow, an anecdotal story, well that just proves what you’re saying is 100% correct.

Science couldn’t possibly disagree

“Pure” psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin rarely cause any sort of abuse, really, but I’ve been on a drug abuse closed ward and the manic people were generally in there because of CNS stimulants of all sorts. Psychedelics are just less likely to yield any long-lasting harmful effects compared to say smoking crack or snorting meth.

So yeah, while a CNS depressant isn’t the a thing that directly causes psychological depression as such, you can probably see how they’re linked from the following analogy; imagine that I tie your legs together. That doesn’t remove your ability to walk, per se, as long as you remove the restraints. But if no-one removes them for 50 years, do you think you’d walk as well as before?

In much the same way, yes, CNS depressants are linked to depression, and alcohol and benzos are the clearest examples.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8238014/#:~:text=Studies have reported that prolonged,medications for non-pain symptoms.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/risks-effects-dangers/depression#:~:text=Alcohol can not only lead,reducing or stopping alcohol use.