I have a book for you my friend, it’s called humankind. While these wars are making me lose hope again, this relative cutting age history book (cutting age as in new research used in book rather than decade old and often outdated research ) that argues and shows the beauty of our species. I need to read it again, because I’ll be honest I’m losing hope again in humanity Humankind: A Hopeful History https://g.co/kgs/BrbMWsC

“Unpopular opinion but do folks honestly not understand how those borders shifted? Mostly because a bunch of countries tried to murder the Jews” You can’t genuinely be this conceited. How about Israel’s “independence” which was a massive ethnic cleansing done by Jewish terrorists who were all non native from Europe and would avoid native Palestinan Jews because they found them “too weak” David Ben gurion the founder of Israeli was apart of it and was well aware what he was doing was colonisation. The stern gang and lehi group then became Israels army and government, with their teaching still very in place. https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine#%3A~%3Atext=The+main+terrorist+groups+were%2CFreedom+of+Israel)%20or%20LHI.)%20or%20LH

https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

It’s ironic how you use this projection about others getting their info from tiktok when come unsourced, arrogant and wrong, it’s impossible not to think you are brainwashed or an awful human being and uneducated. All of this is to say, Israel has a clear greater Israel plan even literally showing a map of Israel pre Oct 7 of them owning west bank and Gaza https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

So suprise suprise when Israeli leaders talk about “claiming greater Israel” we gotta fight back and dismantle that nation. You and you’re people oppressed the Jews for 2 thousand years, to the middle east in 1930s the Jews were colonisers no different to the Brits acting with imperialist intentions with Israel capitalising on the holocaust to form some special protected minority status no other people on earth have even tho the Jews are ABSOLUTELY not the most victimised people in the planet or even they era of history. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241120-smotrich-has-confirmed-that-the-quest-for-greater-israel-is-real/ https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-paper-op-ed-claims-south-lebanon-northern-israel?amp

I hope things will change but do they? Did imperialism end? Did empires end? Did colonization really end? Slavery? No, it just changed forms, a shackle in new colours. Even if the west was the fall tomorrow the middle east became somehow the new dominant region, with the trauma they faced, would they be any better (hypothetically) I worry for our species as I feel like we’re bomb ourselves before we reach true mastery of this earth or use that mastery to enforce an even wider and more ruthless class system

Well with the bbc it’s essential state run propaganda machine so as long as Britain is on the wrong side of history it’ll stay like that, until 50 years down the line when greater Israel has been formed and many millions of dead are investigated and brought to light, BBC will have “internal” investigation and say something like “never again” it’s all bullshit

No it didn’t. Most of the Jews came after the Palestine nakba/massacre which made Jews feel unsafe in the middle east (jeez I wonder why, but also not their fault.) the Jews who came before the independence were all European terrorist who built armed settlements and militas Far away from Palestinans and Palestinan Jews as they didn’t support them.

What? I’m sorry I’m not joining you on that basement dweeb back and forth about home instance 🤣🤣🤣 I’m using Lemmy as a Reddit alternative, and ml was just the choice I set on because I love an underdog number 2 instance. you should consider touching grass and getting a hobby, there’s bigger things in this world than this dude. Let it be a wake-up call before it’s too late

I’m sorry, is your source just a literal Wikipedia page? Are you serious? Bro get outta here 🤣

Nope, he was absolutely not a good man, but he kept order and stability that America and Israel to wipe that out.

That’s what I said

I’m with you my friend, also I blame the Jewish people for Israel, it was a small sub sect that decided to make it happen in the violent matter it did (I’m personally not opposed to a Jewish state or secular state with Jews and whoever else are considered fully equal but this isn’t it). Now one nation has control over this extremely ancient and diverse religion which is sad to see. I want to see every nation respected rather than in one nation as a villain. Jews used to be in Afghanistan and the lands that encompass Pakistan and I wish they could go back and live with us again.

But honestly my friend it’s hard, it’s so hard seeing Zionist rhetoric and what Israel does. But the anti Zionists Jewish heroes are also what remind me were all human.

Also great seeing you here again, love running into you again If you haven’t already checked it out, check out illan paper a Israeli Jewish historian with more facts than most.

It absolutely is. Tho to be honest it was my beginning foray into history since then, my new passion is bronze age middle eastern/Indus history. But of course the glory of Rome is unlike many others

It’s insane how they can kill like 200,000 Palestinian and still cry about getting a hostage agreement, the fact they think half are still alive tells you everything you need to about hamas and everything you need to know about Israel having tens of thousands of prisoners on top of killing 200,000+ Palestinian, attacking Lebanon, Iraq, iran and now invading a completely fresh regime in Syria like wtf

They both hate Jews and love the Jewish state. I never understood this.

You’re 100% right but unlike any other religion, their very small and the majority have links to Israel and so are involved in the oppression (not all by choice, many many many great people like illan paper, norman Finkelstein and so many other) who do great work. But knowing all this, it makes me so upset and angry in the deepest part of my heart. Loudly I will support the Jewish people for they are humans are my brothers. I just don’t understand how they can see us with such vitriol when Palestinian historically didn’t do shit to them.

Honestly you are right as someone who started his love for history with the Romans, I didn’t know this was a debate, so I did some research and to me personally the end of the Roman empire was 476ad with the last western Roman empire abdicating. Or perhaps the fall of Constantinople

Among which historians specifically? I’m unaware of any serious debate here other than propagandists using the name second Rome, third Rome, ceaser etc. sorry buddy Roman empire collapsed when the franks, Visigoths, ostrogoths and Huns toppled the west. Wanna know why it ended then? Byzantine had split long before into a separate entity to distance itself from Rome and when it collapsed it chugged along with it’s greek orthodox ideals

Id barely call the byzantines the Romans. They were a greek led empire

It’s crazy how they and the west propagandised for years about terrorism and Islamism when their biggest allies like use, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the biggest reasons the Muslim world is the way it is. Israel is a vile nation and while I believe the cycle of hatred needs to be breaked, if I was a Palestinian, I would want every single Zionist (not every Israeli) dead or gone

Why would they, entland is the parliment. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined make up a fraction of England’s population. Scotland’s still better tho

So you’re telling me Asif Rahman who was employed by the CIA Did the job of preventing an escalation is being jailed? More and more I feel Israels actions will cause it’s demise soon but also that Israel will be Americas demise. God I truly hope civil war rips America apart in Rome like fashion