Yes, and it’s actually pretty good at it. The code won’t be the most efficient, it won’t be elegant or beautiful… but it will mostly work, and someone with technical experience can get it over the line. Case in point: I can “sort of” code, but my career has been spent writing simple scripts. Nothing more complicated than workstation provisioning, find and replace with some regex, PowerShell with a WinForms GUI, etc. Despite being relatively low level in terms of actually building applications, I’ve been able to “project manage” and hand-edit Claude output into a working application. It’s basically just a frontend for FFMPEG, with some smarts and automation built in. Not particularly impressive in absolute terms, but it’s a lot snappier and prettier than anything else I’ve ever put together and I’m proud of it. I got it from concept to working in a few days, and added major features plus a few efficiency passes and bug fixes in two weeks - an absolutely incredible pace.

This comment is going to get absolutely nuked with downvotes, I guarantee it - but that won’t change the fact that I’m successfully building stuff with AI.

I spent quite a lot of effort getting Stoat up and running because they aren’t working on the selfhosted version, only to get a nice email from the German government that my server was running an outdated version of React with RCE vulnerabilities. Nuked that stack at 3am.

Also I fixed their Tenor integration to be provider agnostic so the self-hoster could choose a different gif provider like klipy (Tenor turned off their API so gif search in Stoat is broken), tried to contribute that one small change back to the main project, immediately rejected because “we have no plans for klipy support”.

Not worth the effort, IMO.

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I’m right there with you, bud. I tried StoatChat too, and I got a nice email from the German government about using an outdated version of React with RCE vulnerabilities. I think this must be a very difficult problem to properly solve, given the number of different approaches and how all of them have their own issues to contend with. Nextcloud Talk is the most usable option I’ve found because it does voice, video, and screen sharing and it also has call links you can send for unregistered people to join the calls. But performance is spotty even with the “high performance backend” set up (that may be due to my server being in Germany though 😅).

As to being accused of using AI, don’t let it get to you. The people yelling the loudest can’t tell the difference between handwritten code and AI, because they can’t code. If you pull down your repo, you’ll be depriving people who might be able to use your project because of trolls who never would have tried it in the first place.

I do use AI for coding, and I’ve gotten plenty of hate for it, but also people who don’t care and just want the functionality of the tool I built.

And in fact I’m going to check out your project and see if I can get it up and running, so please don’t take it down. I’ll likely be putting it on my German server so I’ll let you know what the performance is like with extreme round trips 😁

Hickling estimates he bought 20 packets of Selena Gomez Oreos for the trial, and soon was out in the field in Leeston attaching the cookies along the planks that lead up to the possum traps. “One of the things that’s nice about an Oreo is that you can just drill a little hole through it and just tap it on with a flathead nail,” he says. “People have tried to use Tim Tams in the past, but they are really expensive. Oreos are quite a bit cheaper, and they actually stand up to the rain quite well too, which is a little disconcerting.”

Mate, if you think how they hold up in the rain is disconcerting, you should have a read of what’s in 'em…

Would be easier to contribute to XMPP or Matrix IMO.

Synapse is in the middle of a rebuild without much compatibility between the legacy and new builds, and it’s a pain in the dick to set up at the moment. I know, because I did it.

XMPP I haven’t tried to set up yet, but I imagine it to be similarly in-depth.

As to why not contribute: edit: not AI, they just don’t have the confidence in their own skills to contribute to anyone else’s project.

Now… why do the whole thing from scratch instead of forking? Great question. XMPP might just need a nice coat of paint, if it can handle voice and video and screen share; I haven’t come away with great impressions of matrix/synapse.

We’ve practically exhausted the Exploration and Expansion phases

The Ocean and Space both called, and they disagree

Edit: damn okay we’re done exploring and there’s nowhere left to colonise, my mistake for making a throwaway joke comment on such a serious topic 🙄

Edit: Screw it, not worth it. Blocked, please return the favour, cheers ‘n’ thanks.

When it comes to the usage of both words, that difference you listed is completely arbitrary and obviously irrelevant

What? No. Software is something people go looking for and choose to download, unless we’re talking about malware which I think is fair to say is obviously outside the bounds of this conversation. Spam emails are forced on people without their asking or looking for them. They’re not at all interchangeable or the same thing.

Most people don’t care how their software is written, just like they don’t care how their food is actually made. And by “most people” I don’t mean you or anyone else here on Lemmy, I mean the majority of people who use computers. You wouldn’t believe how technically illiterate and uncurious the average person is - that’s who I mean. Those people hate spam emails, but they don’t care if their email app was vibecoded with AI. They don’t even know the difference between AI code and hand-typed human code, and most of 'em probably think “more code is better so AI is better!”.

Unless you’re trying to argue something else; that the slop in this specific case is more justified.

Sort of. I’m saying that while I understand why AI disclosures are a good thing, I think that if a person is not paying for an application and they’re not contributing to its development, then that person can keep their opinions on the development process to themselves. They can take those opinions and go build something of their own to satisfy them.

it’s the eagerness to treat users as braindead trash undeserving transparency.

I simply don’t think that’s a fair characterisation, because it ignores how people treat the developers who use the tools in the first place. People who have no technical skills whatsoever are happy to loudly shit all over said developers and call their work garbage - work they’ve been doing for nothing.

I agree the initial response could have been approached better, but all of us have the benefit of judging in hindsight and from a distance. I can understand how their emotions got the better of them, while under fire like that. This looks distinctly different from the BookLore fiasco though, where the dev is trying to close up the source in retaliation.

I just wish people would find more reasonable targets for their ire, instead of rolling with the pitchforks-and-torches mentality. Individuals building open source software are not usually reasonable targets. I do think “good thing it’s easy to fork open source” is the right sentiment; this is why anything I build, I put up under the Unlicense, because as far as I’m concerned any utility someone can get from it is to the good.

Oh, so it’s okay for you to have reasons for doing things other than fighting the system, but nobody else gets that consideration? Here in the US, we can be summarily executed for speaking out, and we’re doing it anyway. Quit being insufferable.

Yikes. Hadn’t heard about the openclaw use. That stack scares the bejeezus out of me.

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Precisely this, yes, well said. We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, one way or another.

The difference is that marketing is trying to sell you things to part you from your money. How much does Lutris cost? Yeah, it’s free and open source, so the motivations are completely different - including the motivations for using AI.

Because coding is hard work even with AI assistance, and people who don’t code will judge you the loudest and longest and meanest for using AI to make the work easier. I personally suffer rejection sensitivity dysphoria so I understand the emotions behind their actions.

But yeah, everyone just ignores the years of coding work this person did for nothing just to help people enjoy their games, to crucify them for using AI and then having feelings about getting yelled at by the very beneficiaries of their prior work.

It’s not like they’re stripping out or reimplementing contributions and taking the project closed source, like BookLore. People need some damn perspective.

Relatable.

And here you are, commenting on social media, instead of doing something about it.

You got cabbaged! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8X7S4j_zXA)

Sure, but reading the article, I think he might be knowledgeable enough. His mistake seems to have been blindly trusting the keys to the kingdom to an enthusiastic junior dev who’ll be very sorry if they nuke your system, but won’t think to do a damn thing to make sure it doesn’t happen in the first place…