Half of the voters voted for Trump, so no thanks, I don’t want to have good relations with the US. I want to isolate them as much as possible.

And what will they do? Nothing! The EU is spineless.

Plus that he is the richest man alive by far. Plus that he is promoting the far-right in Europe. Plus that he did a Nazi salute.

You mean he said it while Biden was trying to persuade us that he was the one most aligned with Israel?

They didn’t say it out loud, but they allowed the Israeli government to bomb the shit out of Gaza.

Who do you blame more? The DNC or third party voters?

…yeah afaik there’s pretty good evidence that trans folks wouldn’t be culturally eliminated under the Biden administration. Do you disagree with that assumption?

I agree with that assumption. The thing I believe though, is that the Democratic Party leaned too heavily on that instead of focusing on what actually matters. And they did that because that was the only platform they could run on. They wanted to protect the status quo. And as we’ve seen at the inauguration, that same status quo was in the room cheering for Trump.

The years ahead will be difficult for sure, but I am hopeful that what will come out of the ashes, will be something better.

Just don’t puff out your chest about claiming to have clean hands when, given the single most pronounced choice we have in determining government for the next cycle, you prioritized trying to maintain a clean conscience over keeping Trump out of the white house.

I am not trying to come up on top. I was just responding to the commentator who was blaming the pro-palestine crowd for not voting for Kamala. They should have blamed the DNC instead.

In seeking to protest a genocide, they have invited the start of a second genocide on our fellow citizens, as well as accelerated the original genocide they were protesting. These effects could’ve been seen from a million miles away.

You assume that the “second genocide” would not have happened under a Democratic leadership. Biden and Kamala gave Netanyahu free rein over Palestine. They placed red lines only to appease their base, and simply disregarded these lines when the Isreaeli government trampled over them. They smeared the protestors. They condemned the international courts, and they were cheering the genocidal maniac when he appeared before congress.

So no, I would never vote for this party. You might see DNC as the lesser of two evils. I just see it as plain evil, and I can’t in good faith ever vote for them. As I mentioned before, they only used the rights of minorities as smokescreen, to avoid introducing any meaningful changes.

“played a part in getting trump elected” this is so vague though. Because I can argue that you played a part on getting Trump elected by voting for Democrats for the past 50 years.

The lower class has been dying. It’s either death by a thousand cuts or whatever Trump and his cronies are doing. The faster the death the faster the lower class will react.

So you can see that as the silver lining on Trump’s election.

And this is prime “You didn’t vote for my shit candidate, therefore you are literally Hitler”.

It is certainly nice to not have blood on my hands.

Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.