• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Paying but not much else. Poland is all-in. Estonia and Lithuania are not fucking around either. They don’t have the benefit of being their own country before 1991 so don’t have the money and economy to sustain this fight for survival but hey, the Nordic are helping.

    France is working to get 100 Rafael jets worth the same as a Nordic contribution. But the Nordics give so much money. Won’t anyone think of the Nordics!

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      As a percentage of GDP, the Nordic and Baltic countries give more than anyone else. They are donating money and lots of equipment. (Like the article says, one third of military aid comes from the Nordic countries.) They assist with training Ukrainian troops. They take in refugees. There is also industrial cooperation, with Nordic companies starting joint ventures and investing in Ukraine. Denmark has even allocated resources to let the Ukrainians open factories in Denmark.

      And it’s not just limited to monetary or material support, like you’re suggesting. They’ve lobbied hard to maintain support among the other European countries, as they are also doing in the article. This isn’t a call to feel sorry for the Nordic countries, or removed about how much they are obligated to give. It’s a call for increasing support across the board, and specifically to seize frozen Russian assets.

      France has agreed to sell the Ukrainians 100 Rafales at a profit. Not “get” them. And neither of them can realistically finance this purchase. They are reliant on seizing frozen Russian assets, just like the Swedish foreign minister is arguing for in the article!

      As a side note, I don’t think most of the Nordic countries are particularly well off financially. Sweden and Finland are in multiyear recessions. And even though Norway isn’t in a recession, the economy has been stagnant for years and real wages have decreased due to a devalued currency.

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        France has a deal with Ukraine, no one knows if selling at a profit, don’t know why you are making shit up.

        Also, Denmark ain’t donating shit, they are lending, which is a big difference. Considering Danske Bank helped launder close to a trillion USD in assets, a significant portion of which were coming from the Russian oligarchy, it’s the least they can do for helping cement Putin’s grasp on Russia, and consequently, contributing for this invasion to happen. The same can’t be said of I. E. Spain!

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          France has a deal with Ukraine, no one knows if selling at a profit, don’t know why you are making shit up.

          Ok. My bad. My point still stands: Most people, including the article you just linked to, are saying that they are probably reliant on seizing frozen Russian assets to finance the purchase of those planes. And that that is precisely what the Swedish foreign minister is arguing for in the article.

          Denmark ain’t donating shit, they are lending, which is a big difference.

          This is a lie. Most of the Danish aid to the Ukraine is donated. There is a lending scheme which mostly involves giving loans and guarantees to Danish businesses that want to invest in the Ukraine. And even some of the money allocated through this scheme is given as grants.