Can I get a summary? I just can’t get myself to read the article even though it’s short. I want to vomit.
It’s the same style of confinement torture they put people through in CIA blacksites. In this case it’s used as a tool to punish immigrants, for things as simple as asking for medical care.
Also worth noting that they are leaving the cages outside exposed to the sun and insects so it’s a step up in barbarity
It’s murderous.
2x2foot cage in the middle of the prison yard where everyone can see, exposed to both sun and insects, some people spending as long as 24 hours in the box
It is worse than the CIA one, which is indoors and not a cage but a closed box instead.
People are being put in it just for asking for something from the guards.
The CIA one was worse IMO, because it was 21 inches by 30 inches by 30 inches. You can at least stand up in the cage at issue here. Less confinement seems better than lack of exposure to me, though that is admittedly a subjective opinion.
That said, it’s really fucked up to have to make fine-grained judgements about the relative level of atrocity being perpetrated. Absolutely irredeemable country, this.
I’m confused, where did you read they could stand? The cage they describe is 2foot by 2foot and prevents lying, sitting or standing. That’s 24inches by 24inches. The dimensions are probably identical as these are rough estimates by prisoners interviewed. This is the important part of the article:
The four men interviewed by Amnesty International, as well as Florida-based organizations, told the organization about the ‘box’, described as a 2x2 foot cage-like structure located outside in the yard of “Alligator Alcatraz” where individuals are sent for punishment. Individuals are put in the ‘box’, their hands are shackled and their feet are attached to restraints on the ground. They are unable to sit down or move positions, and are forced to remain there for hours in the heat with hardly any water or protection from the sun, heat and insects. According to a man seeking safety, “People ended up in the ‘box’ just for asking the guards for anything. I saw a guy who was put in it for an entire day.”
This reads to me as identical to the CIA box but as an exposed cage in the middle of a courtyard in the baking sun.
It’s 2x2. That’s length and width; depth is not mentioned (it is mentioned when referring to the CIA box), and it says they are unable to sit down, not unable to stand. It also says their feet are attached to the ground in the current cage at issue, again implying that the prisoner is being forced to stand for a long period of time.
The article is confusing and poorly written, though; the CIA box is mentioned again, after the quote about the one at this immigration site. This later mention includes a reference to being unable to stand (but also refers to being “barely able to sit,” thus distinguishing this as the CIA box and not the immigration one, in which we’re told sitting is not possible).
Edit: we don’t have any photos of this thing, and at no point is depth mentioned in the Amnesty International source report, but page 38 of the PDF linked below has an illustration of it. Note that the illustration does not depict a box with any dimensions matching 2 feet, so it’s unclear how accurate this illustration actually is, nor does the artist’s name appear in the report beyond copyright notes for the various images.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/AMR5105112025ENGLISH.pdf
Ahh yes I see where you’re coming from now
Ah, so we’re bringing back tiger cages. Dissolution of empire rebounds on the core, etc.
Did they ever find the hundreds of people who went missing from there?
I fucking hate the media. They don’t do fucking shit. They need to keep the public up-to-date.
The concentration camp was shut down but two Trump judges reopened it. From 2 months ago…
Two Donald Trump-appointed appeals court judges, one whose husband has close ties to the Republican Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, stepped in. Not only did their pause on Miami judge Kathleen Williams’s order allow DeSantis to keep Alligator Alcatraz open, it seems to have supercharged activities at his flagship detention camp.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/07/trump-alligator-alcatraz-florida
From 3 months ago…
Hundreds Of Detainees Reportedly Missing From ICE Records After Being Sent To ‘Alligator Alcatraz’
September 29, 2025
A chilling report has suggested that nearly two-thirds of the 1,800 men brought to Florida’s new immigration detention center, branded “Alligator Alcatraz,” could not be found in federal databases.
Yeah, they were moved to a military base. The link is in my comments somewhere.
The link is in my comments somewhere.
Recently or would I need to go through multiple pages to find it?
Thanks,
She doesn’t provide any actual sources though? If that account she shows a screenshot of is genuinely the social worker for some of the disappeared they need to contact the herald so they can issue an update
Regardless the video makes liberal uses of phrases such as ‘some of’ and ‘likely’ and is speculating that all the disappeared were moved to that base(and even explicitly mentions that at least two weren’t), there are still many people missing that cannot contact their families and vice-versa
Jesus, that’s horrific. I could never do this to someone for days on end, but I must admit I feel like part of reeducation for these people must involve genuinely exposing them to what they inflicted on their fellow human beings. I could see telling them “you aren’t done with reeducation and released back into the world before you have spent two hours in the conditions you forced on these people. Part of this process is teaching you empathy and it clearly doesn’t come naturally to you, so you don’t get the luxury of just thinking about how horrific this thing you did to your victims was - we need you to experience it. You don’t ever HAVE to but until you choose to you can’t be trusted to exist in public.”
Probably wrong but god DAMN do they deserve it.
The fucked up thing is some torturers do have empathy. They go home and have nightmares about it and develop psychiatric issues because they know what they are doing is fucked up. And they do it anyway
Fanon treated one
Yeah, that’s what brought it to mind for me too
I think self-delusion is one of the most unique ‘superpowers’ that humans have. We can believe anything, be absolutely 100% certain of anything, no matter how contrary it may be to all the input of our senses and all reasoning of our minds. A whole lot of it boils down to “This thing is completely morally wrong, and people who do it are bad people. But I do it and I’m not a bad person.”
And this sort of cognitive dissonance is really painful. The natural reaction to being confronted with it is to just go “nuh-uh” and stop thinking about it, or to give contradictory circular justifications which you can avoid thinking through in order to satisfy the desire to square contradictory views without actually doing so.
(Common example, imagine believing simultaneously that dogs have rights and should be treated with kindness and that other animals which are very similar to dogs can ethically be farmed for their body parts. Completely contradictory… and extremely common, even here)
Huh. Maybe just give em a boot to the nuts then…
Joking aside, I would guess that those people are more open to reform, as repugnant as that feels. Just make sure that they understand the problems with what they did.
Jesus fucking Christ these hogs are lower than the lowest animal.
