Since 2007 until now any school that is a major football school IMHO has a nearly worthless degree.
They’re more focused on football and will cut classes, raise tuition, etc for football reasons.
It why I think schools should not longer be associated with what are now basically professional sports teams.
But the things is, this is basically all the schools in the south and Midwest other than like 10 schools.
It’s a part of why education in red states suck so much.
In blue states like Massachusetts, California, etc schools are still primarily for education.
Every fucking school in the south other than like vandi, rice, duke, and some other ELITE southern schools that only the super lucky or wealthy get into are just football.
It’s 100% making people in the south and Midwest stupider and when ou cuts classes for football, fires teachers for football, raises tuitions for football, can’t afford to keep dorms livable because football needs a new stadium and weight room and training facilities.
These college teams have more expensive training facilities than NFL teams, paid for by the tuition of people trying to get an education
Virginia is the only state with laws where schools aren’t allowed to hide that tuition money is going to sports and you see schools there charge their students like $5000 for “athletic fees”
Imagine what ou, OSU, Michigan, Texas, etc are taking out of the tuition students pay for football instead of school.
If you go to Texas, you are taking out student loans so arch manning can get paid millions of dolal by the school to be mid at football
If you go to ole miss you’re paying student loans for lane kiffins sexy snap chat leaks to come out and then leave after one year
If you go to Michigan you are paying fucking student loans for that disaster
10 years from now degrees from these schools will be useless as Chinese schools surpass 99% of American schools in global rankings, and more and more stories come out about how college football is destroying academics
It’ll be compounded because I also predict ~15-20 years from now the pool of available football players will dry up significantly, especially outside of the south/midwest. My peers are starting to have kids and the one thing we all seem to agree on is we’re not letting our kids play football, and that’s in a midwest city.
I also predict my generation to be a lot less supportive of our kids taking out stupid high loans to go to a worthless school “just because.”
Most football players come from rural communities in the deep South and some in the Midwest, but primarily from the deep south.
Plus football is moving for towards flag football for minors. The NFL is investing big in flag football for men and women at the Olympics and at a youth level.
Which I’m for I think flag football for kids is good and fun.
I wonder what age they’ll start doing contact. I would guess high school at the latest. I can’t speak for others but personally I wouldn’t even want my kid to start with flag football if I’d have to make them quit when they got to high school.
I have no problem with flag football in general but I’d hate to get my kid into an activity when I know I’ll have to pull the rug from under them once it starts getting serious.
So in your view, only private schools like Duke and Vandi can be classified as worthwhile institutions whereas public ones like Michigan and Texas can’t because of football and being easily influenced by the government.
Just because OU is a shit school doesn’t mean every other school that isn’t part of the ivy league cabal is.
A) duke and vandi were mentioned because they are both currently big teams in power 4 conferences. Duke just won the acc, vandi’s QB was in the running for the Heisman.
B) neither duke or vandi are ivy league schools
C) I don’t think that schools that only ivy league schools count as good education. I never said that you’re straw manning me. My comment was about how major sec and big 10 schools are choosing football over education and it’s ruining their reputation as academic insiutuons.
This isn’t the first time football has ruined the reputation of the academics of schools. The University of Chicago in the late 1800s and 1900s was at points a dynasty in college football. Then the dean shut down the program instead focusing on academics.
Chicago is now in the same level of ivy Leagues and has a tier 3 football program.
Major Public schools on the north east and west coast which do not prioritize football like those in the south and Midwest do not have this problem.
I went to a university of California for a few years, those are excellent schools that choose academics over sports.
This is an issue WITH MAJOR FOOTBALL SCHOOLS
They are not investing in education, getting caught in constant bad press, and are cutting programs
It’s not just ou cutting academic shit.
These schools can afford to pay billions a year in new football stadiums coaches get paid millions
Players get paid millions
There is a reason why all the academic elite schools don’t invest in sports anymore
I’m sorry but you haven’t presented much in the way of hard evidence nor do you display a solid understanding of finances at some of these schools. Michigan and Texas are academically elite schools. Big football programs such as these earn enough revenue to support entire Athletic Deparments and it’s the smaller schools without succesful programs you should be targetting because they remain just as football obsessed Ie colleges such as duke and vandi.
You just seem to be going on a crusade a aginst big public schools, as long as they’re not in big blue states, conveniently forgetting the UCs are really big into football and are pretty fucking broke enough to divert tuition money into football
Virginia the one state that forces these school to disclose whether or not the money is going to sports, has seen a MASSIVE INCREASE in MANDATORY athletic fees which needs to paid by by EVERY FUCKING STUDENT.
At JMU a public school in Virginia, students are forced to pay $3,000 a year in Athletic fees for the college football program.
The only difference between the schools in virgina, which top the chart in most expensive athletic fees, and other major football schools is that virginia has a law making it illegal for schools to divert tuition to sports so they just charge thousands is mandatory athletic fees.
I’m currently at a top university in Europe that has sporting facilities with multiple fields, a swimming pool, basketball courts, raketball courts, track fields, rugby fields, and a stadium. Student athletic fees for my university is less than a thousand euros.
The $3000 athletic fee is for the football team
It is common knowledge these schools spend tuition money on football. Thats why there were multiple bills proposed and passed in the Virginia state legislator in an attempt to stop it from happening. Instead schools are now doing athletic fees
THE GOAL IS TO TURN THESE SCHOOLS INTO BRANDS/ PROFESSION SPORTS TEAMS.
The elite private schools are hedge funds
The deans of these schools want to condense college football into one or two conferences and have the valuation of their sport franchises become as valuable as NFL teams.
They are sacrificing the quality of the education of their schools to make more money.
I don’t have any bias against any schools, I am mad that the sport of college football is being destroyed and the education thousands of students are getting is being devalued because deans and athletic directors want to make money
This isn’t also the first time something like this has happened to American education
It happened in the 30s when the ivy league and northern schools ditched football in the early 1900s-1930s to favor academics and become hedgefunds.
Then in the 60s the elite southern schools left the football conferences to try to copy harvard and yale and Chicago. IT worked for Tulane, Rice, and Duke.
We’re seeing the result of the 1981 OU vs NCCA Supreme court decision of schools being able to sell college football themselves to TV studios, the consolidation of football programs into super programs, and the result NIL leading to some schools become monopolies in college football. They think they can be the NFL with their football programs worth billions.
Virginia is not a football money maker, though. They have a shitty program that is in the upper echelon of competition and yet doesn’t attract many eyes. They’re exactly the sort of school I’m talking about. I don’t think Michigan has athletic fees.
*She’s not wrong. I went to a public university, they spent the lions share of their budget on top heavy non academic staff, football, and the business school. Everything else was being allowed to wither.
Stem and buisness Brainrot is also a factor for schools
There is this idea that
Stem and business = job
so people register for those in the highest numbers
and the other academic fields get less people to sign up and get budget cuts
the right and the deans and people donating to these schools want to turn universities into trade schools for stem and business.
But that’s a smaller factor than football. Collegefootball is a major economic factor worth billions not just for these schools but the towns they reside in. so many of these towns the entire economy isn’t the school but college football.
Oh okay, my bad. I could follow your initial comment more or less but I just don’t know much about competitive sports so I got lost reading the other comments.
Since 2007 until now any school that is a major football school IMHO has a nearly worthless degree.
They’re more focused on football and will cut classes, raise tuition, etc for football reasons.
It why I think schools should not longer be associated with what are now basically professional sports teams.
But the things is, this is basically all the schools in the south and Midwest other than like 10 schools.
It’s a part of why education in red states suck so much.
In blue states like Massachusetts, California, etc schools are still primarily for education.
Every fucking school in the south other than like vandi, rice, duke, and some other ELITE southern schools that only the super lucky or wealthy get into are just football.
It’s 100% making people in the south and Midwest stupider and when ou cuts classes for football, fires teachers for football, raises tuitions for football, can’t afford to keep dorms livable because football needs a new stadium and weight room and training facilities.
These college teams have more expensive training facilities than NFL teams, paid for by the tuition of people trying to get an education
Virginia is the only state with laws where schools aren’t allowed to hide that tuition money is going to sports and you see schools there charge their students like $5000 for “athletic fees”
Imagine what ou, OSU, Michigan, Texas, etc are taking out of the tuition students pay for football instead of school.
If you go to Texas, you are taking out student loans so arch manning can get paid millions of dolal by the school to be mid at football
If you go to ole miss you’re paying student loans for lane kiffins sexy snap chat leaks to come out and then leave after one year
If you go to Michigan you are paying fucking student loans for that disaster
10 years from now degrees from these schools will be useless as Chinese schools surpass 99% of American schools in global rankings, and more and more stories come out about how college football is destroying academics
to be fair, our universities are also real estate scams :)
That’s bigger with private schools like Harvard or yale which are hedge funds
It’ll be compounded because I also predict ~15-20 years from now the pool of available football players will dry up significantly, especially outside of the south/midwest. My peers are starting to have kids and the one thing we all seem to agree on is we’re not letting our kids play football, and that’s in a midwest city.
I also predict my generation to be a lot less supportive of our kids taking out stupid high loans to go to a worthless school “just because.”
IDK,
Most football players come from rural communities in the deep South and some in the Midwest, but primarily from the deep south.
Plus football is moving for towards flag football for minors. The NFL is investing big in flag football for men and women at the Olympics and at a youth level.
Which I’m for I think flag football for kids is good and fun.
I wonder what age they’ll start doing contact. I would guess high school at the latest. I can’t speak for others but personally I wouldn’t even want my kid to start with flag football if I’d have to make them quit when they got to high school.
I have no problem with flag football in general but I’d hate to get my kid into an activity when I know I’ll have to pull the rug from under them once it starts getting serious.
They’re also pushing highschool flag
I think in rural communities you’ll have a lot of kids doing contact
But in urban and suburban you’ll have a mix of flag and contact
So in your view, only private schools like Duke and Vandi can be classified as worthwhile institutions whereas public ones like Michigan and Texas can’t because of football and being easily influenced by the government.
Just because OU is a shit school doesn’t mean every other school that isn’t part of the ivy league cabal is.
A) duke and vandi were mentioned because they are both currently big teams in power 4 conferences. Duke just won the acc, vandi’s QB was in the running for the Heisman.
B) neither duke or vandi are ivy league schools
C) I don’t think that schools that only ivy league schools count as good education. I never said that you’re straw manning me. My comment was about how major sec and big 10 schools are choosing football over education and it’s ruining their reputation as academic insiutuons.
This isn’t the first time football has ruined the reputation of the academics of schools. The University of Chicago in the late 1800s and 1900s was at points a dynasty in college football. Then the dean shut down the program instead focusing on academics.
Chicago is now in the same level of ivy Leagues and has a tier 3 football program.
Major Public schools on the north east and west coast which do not prioritize football like those in the south and Midwest do not have this problem.
I went to a university of California for a few years, those are excellent schools that choose academics over sports.
This is an issue WITH MAJOR FOOTBALL SCHOOLS
They are not investing in education, getting caught in constant bad press, and are cutting programs
https://www.highereddive.com/news/oklahoma-regents-vote-to-cut-41-low-producing-academic-programs/807317/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/17/university-of-texas-cuts-liberal-arts
http://amp.thestate.com/news/local/education/article306055871.html
It’s not just ou cutting academic shit. These schools can afford to pay billions a year in new football stadiums coaches get paid millions Players get paid millions
Tuition is rising
But programs are being cut
All while shit like this
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/college-football/article-15405981/amp/Five-women-claim-Sherrone-Moore-unwanted-advances-Michigan.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/lane-kiffin-suffers-damaging-accusation-174627431.html
Lane kiffin is getting paid $13 million a year in student tuition while his dms of him cheating on his wife gets leaked on Snapchat
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT MAKES LSU AND OLE MISS LOOK?
(https://lailluminator.com/2025/03/28/lsu-moves-toward-hiring-freeze-budget-cuts-amid-federal-funding-uncertainty/ lsu is also cutting back on education btw, but they can pay lane kiffin millions)
Look I’m a historian who studies sports and way to autistic about football I think way to much about this stuff I can argue all day about this
I left my previous university because it was starting to invest more in sports and cut the history department when I was getting my degree.
This shit negatively impacts students and makes their degrees worth less
There is a reason why all the academic elite schools don’t invest in sports anymore
Tldr get mad at the deans not me for wanting to turn their schools into NFL franchises because that’s worth more money than being a school
America moment
I’m sorry but you haven’t presented much in the way of hard evidence nor do you display a solid understanding of finances at some of these schools. Michigan and Texas are academically elite schools. Big football programs such as these earn enough revenue to support entire Athletic Deparments and it’s the smaller schools without succesful programs you should be targetting because they remain just as football obsessed Ie colleges such as duke and vandi.
You just seem to be going on a crusade a aginst big public schools, as long as they’re not in big blue states, conveniently forgetting the UCs are really big into football and are pretty fucking broke enough to divert tuition money into football
Virginia the one state that forces these school to disclose whether or not the money is going to sports, has seen a MASSIVE INCREASE in MANDATORY athletic fees which needs to paid by by EVERY FUCKING STUDENT.
At JMU a public school in Virginia, students are forced to pay $3,000 a year in Athletic fees for the college football program.
The only difference between the schools in virgina, which top the chart in most expensive athletic fees, and other major football schools is that virginia has a law making it illegal for schools to divert tuition to sports so they just charge thousands is mandatory athletic fees.
I’m currently at a top university in Europe that has sporting facilities with multiple fields, a swimming pool, basketball courts, raketball courts, track fields, rugby fields, and a stadium. Student athletic fees for my university is less than a thousand euros.
The $3000 athletic fee is for the football team
It is common knowledge these schools spend tuition money on football. Thats why there were multiple bills proposed and passed in the Virginia state legislator in an attempt to stop it from happening. Instead schools are now doing athletic fees
https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20251/SB1217/text/SB1217
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2025/virginia-bill-college-sports-subsidies-student-fees-1234824931/
https://cardinalnews.org/2025/12/18/james-madison-university-generates-more-money-from-mandatory-student-fees-for-athletics-than-any-other-school-in-the-nation/
THE GOAL IS TO TURN THESE SCHOOLS INTO BRANDS/ PROFESSION SPORTS TEAMS.
The elite private schools are hedge funds
The deans of these schools want to condense college football into one or two conferences and have the valuation of their sport franchises become as valuable as NFL teams.
They are sacrificing the quality of the education of their schools to make more money.
I don’t have any bias against any schools, I am mad that the sport of college football is being destroyed and the education thousands of students are getting is being devalued because deans and athletic directors want to make money
This isn’t also the first time something like this has happened to American education
It happened in the 30s when the ivy league and northern schools ditched football in the early 1900s-1930s to favor academics and become hedgefunds.
Then in the 60s the elite southern schools left the football conferences to try to copy harvard and yale and Chicago. IT worked for Tulane, Rice, and Duke.
We’re seeing the result of the 1981 OU vs NCCA Supreme court decision of schools being able to sell college football themselves to TV studios, the consolidation of football programs into super programs, and the result NIL leading to some schools become monopolies in college football. They think they can be the NFL with their football programs worth billions.
Virginia is not a football money maker, though. They have a shitty program that is in the upper echelon of competition and yet doesn’t attract many eyes. They’re exactly the sort of school I’m talking about. I don’t think Michigan has athletic fees.
They do have fees,
And if you re read my comment,
The virginia schools lead in athletics fees because they passed a law where tuition can’t go to sports
Michigan and other schools just spend tuition money on sports
I literally posted an article and the link to the state law from Virginia
But you don’t have any evidence that they do besides Virginia, with bad football revenue streams, do; am I mistaken?
YOU CAN GOOGLE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN STUDENT FEES YOURSELF!!!
I DID
IT TAKES 2 SECONDS!
*She’s not wrong. I went to a public university, they spent the lions share of their budget on top heavy non academic staff, football, and the business school. Everything else was being allowed to wither.
Stem and buisness Brainrot is also a factor for schools
There is this idea that
Stem and business = job
so people register for those in the highest numbers
and the other academic fields get less people to sign up and get budget cuts
the right and the deans and people donating to these schools want to turn universities into trade schools for stem and business.
But that’s a smaller factor than football. Collegefootball is a major economic factor worth billions not just for these schools but the towns they reside in. so many of these towns the entire economy isn’t the school but college football.
*She’s.
This isn’t even recognizable to what she said. I encourage you to reread the comment.
I think I made it pretty clear I’m not a fan of how sec and big 10 are treating these schools
It’s less of an issue in the big 12 and acc
Acc is marketing itself as the conference with “high academic standards” and is gonna fall apart in 10 years anyway
Big 12 can’t ever compete
Then college football will go from power 4 to power 2
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
No I am agreeing with you
Oh okay, my bad. I could follow your initial comment more or less but I just don’t know much about competitive sports so I got lost reading the other comments.
That’s not a good faith reading imo