I wonder if someone’s formalized an axiom that in any internet forum post about something popular, someone will feel the need to not add to the conversation but to declare that they personally didn’t like it and that it’s bizzare others did.
It’s a strange impulse but you see it over and over again.
I’m guilty of that but i always do it when i actually hated something and I’m politely downplaying how shite I thought it was.
I think this is essentially a statistics thing; any online collection of people will tend to have a normal distribution spread from hate to love for the subject matter.
The person who hates it the most will fill an environmental niche when they see nobody has said it yet. But we have to work with the environment:
a generally-neutral comments section leaves only room to politely dismiss/critique one or two select aspects of a show.
a generally positive one allows people at the RHS (“LOVE”) of the normal distribution free reign to gas it up, but only affords to the biggest hater in the room, enough space to say “well it was mid. It was alright i guess. It was overrated.”
likewise a generally-negative comment section will see people who only disliked it start to convince themselves that they HATED it, while the few who LOVED it have to pretend it’s “just alright” for fear of persecution
So now you see, U7826391786239 is a trailblazer; his negative-in-intent-but-ultimately-rather-ambivalent comment demonstrates typical no-man’s land behaviour. With this comment he has spread his seed over the virgin soil of this online ecosystem and allowed the great debate to begin again on whether GoT is a good show or not
Well to be clear, Kanye’s recent music material output aside and awful public behaviour - his musical content is absolutely highly acclaimed historically by listeners and critics.
I dont think I need to show evidence to support my statement, its common knowledge and I wouldnt expect anyone to try and dispute that Kayne’s music isnt considered good or respected.
The part that’s worth talking about, to me, is how creators and their audience can occasionally be on such different pages. What happens to the creative process to make that happen? Is it indicative of a deeper ill with the industry?
HBO is known for taking big swings and they used to depend on the fact that it didn’t matter how many of their shows sucked because eventually they’d make a GoT or The Wire, so it’s not weird to see one of their shows suck or be amazing… but it’s certainly memorable when they make one that does both.
HBO could kind of do that because they were THE premium channel and how a significant chunk of the US market actually watched movies.
Even by GOT? E’RYBODY was showing titties. Hell, I want to say AMC even was getting to push the envelope a bit? And Starz were outright hanging dong more often than not at that point (I will die on the hill that Spartacus was better written, better acted, and respected the audience more). And it was similarly around the time people were on to their bullshit (see SNL’s “It’s not Porn, it’s HBO” skit).
And with Netflix and Amazon both spinning up their own studios? It isn’t a surprise HBO reached the point that its branding was taken off the streaming service.
They’ve lost their niche in recent years, it’s true. Another casualty of “progress” just like episodic TV. Nowadays every showrunner thinks they can tell us “don’t worry, it gets good in an hour or two of screen time”, and as long as it’s captured the spotlight by the season finale, they’ve still got a job. Time wasters!
If you’re not having fun talking about it, nobody’s making you… But, you can make your own decisions.
There’s always that tension between creatives (artists) and the profit motive. It’s true for show runners, just as it is for small Etsy artists. Part of the artistry is pretending one wants to do what must be done, in order to recover a sense of genuine expression without losing the means to continue. Maybe that’s the difference between amateurs and professionals. A good showrunner must humble themselves in both directions at once - to the suits, and to their audience - and even then they will fail, unless they can convince us that’s what they wanted to do all along.
When mistakes are made and you lose your audience, it is all too easy to blame them for not liking it. A good comedian doesn’t argue with a crowd that isn’t laughing, obviously the only opinion that matters is theirs. You dig yourself out of that hole by admitting it and moving on. That’s what’s unprofessional (in the sense stated earlier) of the GoT team - not to take any criticism onboard. It will only limit their future creative to have that mindset. That’s the part that matters, who cares if it was profitable to the suits?
I mean GOT still at least had 6 highly received seasons. I don’t think the ending degrades GOT as a series.
I also don’t think there’s anything especially wrong with gravitating towards media content that explores dark or violent themes in writing (seemingly a partial objection of yours to GOT?)
It depends on how much quality there is prior to it to me. Endings do weaken the show overall to varying degrees if they are badly done or rushed, but there’s a lot of great content along-the-way.
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I wonder if someone’s formalized an axiom that in any internet forum post about something popular, someone will feel the need to not add to the conversation but to declare that they personally didn’t like it and that it’s bizzare others did.
It’s a strange impulse but you see it over and over again.
I’m guilty of that but i always do it when i actually hated something and I’m politely downplaying how shite I thought it was.
I think this is essentially a statistics thing; any online collection of people will tend to have a normal distribution spread from hate to love for the subject matter.
The person who hates it the most will fill an environmental niche when they see nobody has said it yet. But we have to work with the environment:
So now you see, U7826391786239 is a trailblazer; his negative-in-intent-but-ultimately-rather-ambivalent comment demonstrates typical no-man’s land behaviour. With this comment he has spread his seed over the virgin soil of this online ecosystem and allowed the great debate to begin again on whether GoT is a good show or not
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You can debate the merits of the show but to give one of the most watched shows in history a “popular” just makes you look like a goof.
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Why would you compare GoT to Kanye?
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No one made that argument, though. The person you replied to literally said you can debate the merits of the show.
Well to be clear, Kanye’s recent music material output aside and awful public behaviour - his musical content is absolutely highly acclaimed historically by listeners and critics.
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What logical argument did I make that invoked the show’s popularity?
I pointed out the fact that the show is/was popular.
Thats a bad comparison. Kayne’s music is very well respected.
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I dont think I need to show evidence to support my statement, its common knowledge and I wouldnt expect anyone to try and dispute that Kayne’s music isnt considered good or respected.
Who on Earth has made that arhument?
The part that’s worth talking about, to me, is how creators and their audience can occasionally be on such different pages. What happens to the creative process to make that happen? Is it indicative of a deeper ill with the industry?
HBO is known for taking big swings and they used to depend on the fact that it didn’t matter how many of their shows sucked because eventually they’d make a GoT or The Wire, so it’s not weird to see one of their shows suck or be amazing… but it’s certainly memorable when they make one that does both.
HBO could kind of do that because they were THE premium channel and how a significant chunk of the US market actually watched movies.
Even by GOT? E’RYBODY was showing titties. Hell, I want to say AMC even was getting to push the envelope a bit? And Starz were outright hanging dong more often than not at that point (I will die on the hill that Spartacus was better written, better acted, and respected the audience more). And it was similarly around the time people were on to their bullshit (see SNL’s “It’s not Porn, it’s HBO” skit).
And with Netflix and Amazon both spinning up their own studios? It isn’t a surprise HBO reached the point that its branding was taken off the streaming service.
They’ve lost their niche in recent years, it’s true. Another casualty of “progress” just like episodic TV. Nowadays every showrunner thinks they can tell us “don’t worry, it gets good in an hour or two of screen time”, and as long as it’s captured the spotlight by the season finale, they’ve still got a job. Time wasters!
I don’t know. Hollywood, in it’s entirety, sucks and amazes to the max. Like… that’s literally their thing.
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If you’re not having fun talking about it, nobody’s making you… But, you can make your own decisions.
There’s always that tension between creatives (artists) and the profit motive. It’s true for show runners, just as it is for small Etsy artists. Part of the artistry is pretending one wants to do what must be done, in order to recover a sense of genuine expression without losing the means to continue. Maybe that’s the difference between amateurs and professionals. A good showrunner must humble themselves in both directions at once - to the suits, and to their audience - and even then they will fail, unless they can convince us that’s what they wanted to do all along.
When mistakes are made and you lose your audience, it is all too easy to blame them for not liking it. A good comedian doesn’t argue with a crowd that isn’t laughing, obviously the only opinion that matters is theirs. You dig yourself out of that hole by admitting it and moving on. That’s what’s unprofessional (in the sense stated earlier) of the GoT team - not to take any criticism onboard. It will only limit their future creative to have that mindset. That’s the part that matters, who cares if it was profitable to the suits?
What’s not to enjoy? Incest + creative torture and murder. That’s an 8 season idea right there.
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What TV do you like, exactly?
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I mean GOT still at least had 6 highly received seasons. I don’t think the ending degrades GOT as a series.
I also don’t think there’s anything especially wrong with gravitating towards media content that explores dark or violent themes in writing (seemingly a partial objection of yours to GOT?)
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It depends on how much quality there is prior to it to me. Endings do weaken the show overall to varying degrees if they are badly done or rushed, but there’s a lot of great content along-the-way.
Man, y’all really are dumb enough to feed the troll, huh?