fahrenheit is the one unit i will never give up. fuck celsius and whoever said it was “more logical” to compress the majority of the weather into the same 30-degree span. i will go to my deathbed weighing 35 kilograms at a body temperature of 95 degrees.
Honestly neither are all that particularly useful, as I have in my old age and Midwestern fashion, come to the conclusion that knowing the humidity matters far more than the actual temperature on a day to day basis.
Yeah but that’s not how the number monkeys running human heuristics work. 70 degrees F = warm, I can wear a T-shirt and shorts; 60 degrees F = a little bit cooler, I would wear pants and long sleeves. 21.111 degrees C vs 15.556 degrees C =
I don’t know why people insist on bringing up decimals at all for Celsius; nobody uses them. never even think about temperatures other than in 5C increments
negative celsius is the most important part of why i dislike it. in the fahrenheit you have “below freezing”, which isn’t really all that cold, and you have “below zero”, which is fucking freezing. you could say “below negative seventeen point seven eight” i guess
This reasoning is bizarre to me. Is it 0 or less? Then it will fundamentally change the weather - it’ll be frosty, watch out for ice or snow. I’m not sure why you’d “most importantly” prefer negative meaning that yeah it’s like… colder.
because it’s convenient to be able to express the difference between just below freezing and abnormally cold. it’s the difference between wearing a sweater and a long sleeve shirt and wearing a jacket and scarf. or just not going outside.
That’s fair, but Fahrenheit is basically the same thing but for 10s and fits comfortably between 0 and 100:
100 - I ain’t movin’
90 - too hot
80 - hot
70 - perfect
60 - cool
50 - chilly
40 - brisk
30 - brr
20 - heavy coat
10 - heavy coat + thermals
0 - I ain’t movin’
20 celsius is 68 fahrenheit, 21 celsius is not quite 70 fahrenheit. you don’t need the granularity of fahrenheit, you cannot feel the difference between 68 and 69 fahrenheit. any belief you have that there is a benefit to fahrenheit is an illusion brought about from your immersion in it
70 degree F - 60 degree F comparison is just 20 and 15 C for the purposes of dressing you don’t really need to use the fractions lol. you do need to abandon the notion that every perceptually significant difference is 10 degrees up or down.
ironic i was replying to someone suggesting F gives users more granularity but how you use it you’re only paying attention to the deci-degrees
it’s not just the granularity. in the modern day weather systems convert from celsius anyway, so you will never see a temperature of 69 (unfortunately). it’s about how many numbers relating to humanity happen to fit in between 0 and 100°. if i were designing a system of measurement from scratch i would set whatever baseline body temperature is at 100. call it the “go nude in the shade” temperature. the temperature at which the average person is at complete equilibrium with the room. for zero it would have to be something really cold so that “below zero” actually means something. the actual number is debatable but it definitely isn’t the point at which water freezes. fahrenheit isn’t perfect but it almost matches those those constraints and so, while certain climates might regularly fall outside the 0-99° range, i think most people in the world would agree that their definition of “temperate” falls in there, and outside that range is uncomfortable. also as a bonus the difference between freezing and boiling is 180°F, which is half 360°, which is a nice number.
below freezing is not subjective and tells you concrete things about the environment. i don’t see the advantage in having “temperate” on a 30 vs 20 degree scale, 1 degree C and 1 degree F are both imperceptible
it’s an advantage of having “below zero” actually tell you something, and to tell you something different from “below freezing”. it’s useful shorthand for “it’s fucking freezing out”
SI is not “relatable” it is based on universally observable constants. no one has to ask another country “hey what’s a kilogram” or “how long is a meter” you just do some math
I never said anything about Celsius being better. I was pointing out that “Fahrenheit is more human” - a take I see all the time from Americans - only seems to hold water if you are familiar with Fahrenheit. But then it just reduces to Fahrenheit is good because it’s familiar. Which… yeah lol.
Celsius isn’t better for regular people with the sole exception of telling you what kind of precipitation is falling based on the minus sign. But it’s not worse either
If that’s a preference for weird quotations, your brain must be even colder than I thought. Can I get you a hat—perhaps one with two cans of warm, tasteless beer strapped to the sides—to heat it up again?
I’m a Fahrenheit defender but also a punctuation outside of quotations defender.
The only things inside the quotation marks should be the original quote itself. If the punctuation wasn’t part of the original quote, it should be outside the marks. I will die on this hill.
If I’m going to my real extreme position, what’s inside of quotation marks should be almost completely ignored by things outside them. You should have to double punctuation.
Example sentence : Jane told me “It’s hot outside today.”, and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
The period was part of Jane’s sentence, and should be included. My sentence however, had not concluded, and needs a comma after the quote and a period to end the sentence.
Allegedly, the “correct” way to write that sentence would be: Jane told me “It’s hot outside today,” and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
But this is garbage nonsense. Jane didn’t use a comma. Jane’s sentence was “It’s hot outside today.”, where are you picking up that comma from and where did her period go?
Look, if you want sympathy, then give up your imperialism (and its units), and just say “-22 degrees”. That sure is cold.
fahrenheit is the one unit i will never give up. fuck celsius and whoever said it was “more logical” to compress the majority of the weather into the same 30-degree span. i will go to my deathbed weighing 35 kilograms at a body temperature of 95 degrees.
Celsius is more useful
reason: it’s the unit people use
sidenote: a small, disadvantaged 3-4% minority never learned it, because of failures in their education system
Honestly neither are all that particularly useful, as I have in my old age and Midwestern fashion, come to the conclusion that knowing the humidity matters far more than the actual temperature on a day to day basis.
Typical supremacist indoctrination, treating integers as if they’re the only real numbers, and decimal places as if they aren’t significant at all.
I have never needed decimals in Celsius for weather. I don’t know who needs that kind of granularity, but it’s certainly not me
Going from the arguments I always hear in favor of farenheit, I can only assume that the average American owns ≈100 coats of varying thickness
you think it’s to decide how clothed to be but actually it’s too determine how naked is appropriate, typical European just not getting it
Die nudity ist always appropriate ja
decimals shmecimals whole numbers or bust.
as far as i’m concerned, if you need a decimal point, you’ve designed your system wrong. except if they’re powers of 2
at least use rankine if you’re going to be wrong.
to paraphrase several europ*ans i’ve heard, fahrenheit for daily use, rankine for science.
if you really want unnecessarily detailed degrees you realise you can have fractions of celcius, right? 25.5 is a perfectly legible C measurement!
Yeah but that’s not how the number monkeys running human heuristics work. 70 degrees F = warm, I can wear a T-shirt and shorts; 60 degrees F = a little bit cooler, I would wear pants and long sleeves. 21.111 degrees C vs 15.556 degrees C =
I don’t know why people insist on bringing up decimals at all for Celsius; nobody uses them. never even think about temperatures other than in 5C increments
it’s
30C - too hot
25C - perfect
20C - oh that’s nice
15C - I’m wearing a thin jacket
10C - I’m wearing a jacket
5C - I’m wearing a hat and a scarf
0C - winter has arrived
-5C and below - damn it’s kinda cold
negative celsius is the most important part of why i dislike it. in the fahrenheit you have “below freezing”, which isn’t really all that cold, and you have “below zero”, which is fucking freezing. you could say “below negative seventeen point seven eight” i guess
This reasoning is bizarre to me. Is it 0 or less? Then it will fundamentally change the weather - it’ll be frosty, watch out for ice or snow. I’m not sure why you’d “most importantly” prefer negative meaning that yeah it’s like… colder.
because it’s convenient to be able to express the difference between just below freezing and abnormally cold. it’s the difference between wearing a sweater and a long sleeve shirt and wearing a jacket and scarf. or just not going outside.
That’s fair, but Fahrenheit is basically the same thing but for 10s and fits comfortably between 0 and 100:
100 - I ain’t movin’
90 - too hot
80 - hot
70 - perfect
60 - cool
50 - chilly
40 - brisk
30 - brr
20 - heavy coat
10 - heavy coat + thermals
0 - I ain’t movin’
20 celsius is 68 fahrenheit, 21 celsius is not quite 70 fahrenheit. you don’t need the granularity of fahrenheit, you cannot feel the difference between 68 and 69 fahrenheit. any belief you have that there is a benefit to fahrenheit is an illusion brought about from your immersion in it
OK that’s two clothing warmth levels — what about the other 98
You have 98 different outfits depending on the temperature?
No, but that’s why I don’t need 98+ degrees of granularity when I’m deciding which of my two coats to put on
Because that level of precision is… entirely unnecessary anyway. Say 21C vs 15C and everybody understands the same thing.
But 21 and 15 aren’t as nice and intuitive as 60 and 70
This will be entirely down to what you’re used to. Because I and everyone I know disagrees.
70 degree F - 60 degree F comparison is just 20 and 15 C for the purposes of dressing you don’t really need to use the fractions lol. you do need to abandon the notion that every perceptually significant difference is 10 degrees up or down.
ironic i was replying to someone suggesting F gives users more granularity but how you use it you’re only paying attention to the deci-degrees
it’s not just the granularity. in the modern day weather systems convert from celsius anyway, so you will never see a temperature of 69 (unfortunately). it’s about how many numbers relating to humanity happen to fit in between 0 and 100°. if i were designing a system of measurement from scratch i would set whatever baseline body temperature is at 100. call it the “go nude in the shade” temperature. the temperature at which the average person is at complete equilibrium with the room. for zero it would have to be something really cold so that “below zero” actually means something. the actual number is debatable but it definitely isn’t the point at which water freezes. fahrenheit isn’t perfect but it almost matches those those constraints and so, while certain climates might regularly fall outside the 0-99° range, i think most people in the world would agree that their definition of “temperate” falls in there, and outside that range is uncomfortable. also as a bonus the difference between freezing and boiling is 180°F, which is half 360°, which is a nice number.
below freezing is not subjective and tells you concrete things about the environment. i don’t see the advantage in having “temperate” on a 30 vs 20 degree scale, 1 degree C and 1 degree F are both imperceptible
it’s an advantage of having “below zero” actually tell you something, and to tell you something different from “below freezing”. it’s useful shorthand for “it’s fucking freezing out”
you can, or you can make things simple and use the human scale of measurement
simple and fahrenheit don’t live in the same province
what could be more simple than putting the freezing point of water at 32 degrees?
I admire your steadfastness. o7
it’s not the only stupidly unrelateable metric unit but it comes up the most.
“Stupidly unrelateable” lol. lmao
Americans stop universalizing your experience challenge (impossible)
ITT:
The exact same shit you’re hollering about but from the other side. It’s almost like it’s all pretty fucking lame and you should just log off.
SI is not “relatable” it is based on universally observable constants. no one has to ask another country “hey what’s a kilogram” or “how long is a meter” you just do some math
to be fairrrrrrrrrrr, us units are all defined through metric units. so same
Justifying why it’s not reallllly the same kinda bellyaching.
This web forum is a good source of consistency and intelligence at all times.
I never said anything about Celsius being better. I was pointing out that “Fahrenheit is more human” - a take I see all the time from Americans - only seems to hold water if you are familiar with Fahrenheit. But then it just reduces to Fahrenheit is good because it’s familiar. Which… yeah lol.
Celsius isn’t better for regular people with the sole exception of telling you what kind of precipitation is falling based on the minus sign. But it’s not worse either
put your punctuation inside your quotation marks and I’ll consider it
You can have the illogical quotations“,” or you can have the sympathy“.” Which“‘”ll it be“,” pardner“?”
it’s fine i don’t want your sympathy anymore, not like this 😫
If that’s a preference for weird quotations, your brain must be even colder than I thought. Can I get you a hat—perhaps one with two cans of warm, tasteless beer strapped to the sides—to heat it up again?
punctuation inside or outside of quotes depends on the content
no it doesn’t it depends on if it looks wrong and it looks wrong
That’s what I thought but I couldn’t tell you the content it depends on to save my life. I’m two ticks above Neanderthal , I think.
I’m a Fahrenheit defender but also a punctuation outside of quotations defender.
The only things inside the quotation marks should be the original quote itself. If the punctuation wasn’t part of the original quote, it should be outside the marks. I will die on this hill.
If I’m going to my real extreme position, what’s inside of quotation marks should be almost completely ignored by things outside them. You should have to double punctuation.
Example sentence : Jane told me “It’s hot outside today.”, and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
The period was part of Jane’s sentence, and should be included. My sentence however, had not concluded, and needs a comma after the quote and a period to end the sentence.
Allegedly, the “correct” way to write that sentence would be: Jane told me “It’s hot outside today,” and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
But this is garbage nonsense. Jane didn’t use a comma. Jane’s sentence was “It’s hot outside today.”, where are you picking up that comma from and where did her period go?
as I said before what really matters is if it looks wrong and that looks very wrong, making it incorrect. Im sorry i don’t make the rules