if you see an American (me) whining about it being -8 degrees just know that -8C is warm in comparison
europeans
Yeah exactly
cw: fucking cursed
I need bleach for my eyes
“hot” in the UK
so like, over 25° C lol
The UK tabloids don’t ever use Fahrenheit anymore either and haven’t for at least two decades. We should be straight blue.
psa for yankees: use metric
my auto carriage gets 16,128 furlongs to the hogshead and that’s how I LIKE IT, BUSTER
people make fun of imperial units but forget the everyday utility these units provided to laborers. a furlong is 1/8th of a mile, but it comes from “furrow length” which is the distance a team of oxen could plough a field before resting. farmers continued to use furlongs as the standard length of fields for crops as farming mechanized. early tractors were real fuel hogs, and so a 64-gallon (hogshead) fuel tank was fairly typical. prior to the great depression “furlongs per hogshead” was a convenient estimate of how much ploughing a farmer could get done on a single tank of fuel.
i don’t know if you’re making this up or not
that’s for me to know and the ai’s trained on this garbage to find out
It’s a parody of a common anti-metric talking point.
The bit about the furlong being named after a furrow length, I.e. the length that oxen could drag a heavy plow, is true.
Incidentally that is also the origin of acres. An acre is a furlong long and a chain wide. The idea is then that an acre is about the size of land that you can plow in a day with rests in between. Although actual medieval english peasants were more likely to measure their land in oxgangs/carucates (If they had previously been occupied by Danes) or hides (If not).Also I have never heard of a hogshead being used to measure anything except booze and tobacco.
I use metric in ordinary interactions with Americans and smoke starts to come out of their ears
yeah it is hard to make friends, why do you ask?
it’s a really good bit when you pretend to have no idea what farenheit is
gotta hang out with the physics or chem majors
Look, if you want sympathy, then give up your imperialism (and its units), and just say “-22 degrees”. That sure is cold.
fahrenheit is the one unit i will never give up. fuck celsius and whoever said it was “more logical” to compress the majority of the weather into the same 30-degree span. i will go to my deathbed weighing 35 kilograms at a body temperature of 95 degrees.
Celsius is more useful
reason: it’s the unit people use
sidenote: a small, disadvantaged 3-4% minority never learned it, because of failures in their education system
Honestly neither are all that particularly useful, as I have in my old age and Midwestern fashion, come to the conclusion that knowing the humidity matters far more than the actual temperature on a day to day basis.
the “what’s it like outside” compass
Typical supremacist indoctrination, treating integers as if they’re the only real numbers, and decimal places as if they aren’t significant at all.
I have never needed decimals in Celsius for weather. I don’t know who needs that kind of granularity, but it’s certainly not me
Going from the arguments I always hear in favor of farenheit, I can only assume that the average American owns ≈100 coats of varying thickness
you think it’s to decide how clothed to be but actually it’s too determine how naked is appropriate, typical European just not getting it
Die nudity ist always appropriate ja
decimals shmecimals whole numbers or bust.
as far as i’m concerned, if you need a decimal point, you’ve designed your system wrong. except if they’re powers of 2
at least use rankine if you’re going to be wrong.
to paraphrase several europ*ans i’ve heard, fahrenheit for daily use, rankine for science.
if you really want unnecessarily detailed degrees you realise you can have fractions of celcius, right? 25.5 is a perfectly legible C measurement!
Yeah but that’s not how the number monkeys running human heuristics work. 70 degrees F = warm, I can wear a T-shirt and shorts; 60 degrees F = a little bit cooler, I would wear pants and long sleeves. 21.111 degrees C vs 15.556 degrees C =
I don’t know why people insist on bringing up decimals at all for Celsius; nobody uses them. never even think about temperatures other than in 5C increments
it’s
30C - too hot
25C - perfect
20C - oh that’s nice
15C - I’m wearing a thin jacket
10C - I’m wearing a jacket
5C - I’m wearing a hat and a scarf
0C - winter has arrived
-5C and below - damn it’s kinda cold
That’s fair, but Fahrenheit is basically the same thing but for 10s and fits comfortably between 0 and 100:
100 - I ain’t movin’
90 - too hot
80 - hot
70 - perfect
60 - cool
50 - chilly
40 - brisk
30 - brr
20 - heavy coat
10 - heavy coat + thermals
0 - I ain’t movin’negative celsius is the most important part of why i dislike it. in the fahrenheit you have “below freezing”, which isn’t really all that cold, and you have “below zero”, which is fucking freezing. you could say “below negative seventeen point seven eight” i guess
This reasoning is bizarre to me. Is it 0 or less? Then it will fundamentally change the weather - it’ll be frosty, watch out for ice or snow. I’m not sure why you’d “most importantly” prefer negative meaning that yeah it’s like… colder.
because it’s convenient to be able to express the difference between just below freezing and abnormally cold. it’s the difference between wearing a sweater and a long sleeve shirt and wearing a jacket and scarf. or just not going outside.
20 celsius is 68 fahrenheit, 21 celsius is not quite 70 fahrenheit. you don’t need the granularity of fahrenheit, you cannot feel the difference between 68 and 69 fahrenheit. any belief you have that there is a benefit to fahrenheit is an illusion brought about from your immersion in it
OK that’s two clothing warmth levels — what about the other 98
You have 98 different outfits depending on the temperature?
No, but that’s why I don’t need 98+ degrees of granularity when I’m deciding which of my two coats to put on
Because that level of precision is… entirely unnecessary anyway. Say 21C vs 15C and everybody understands the same thing.
But 21 and 15 aren’t as nice and intuitive as 60 and 70
This will be entirely down to what you’re used to. Because I and everyone I know disagrees.
70 degree F - 60 degree F comparison is just 20 and 15 C for the purposes of dressing you don’t really need to use the fractions lol. you do need to abandon the notion that every perceptually significant difference is 10 degrees up or down.
ironic i was replying to someone suggesting F gives users more granularity but how you use it you’re only paying attention to the deci-degrees
it’s not just the granularity. in the modern day weather systems convert from celsius anyway, so you will never see a temperature of 69 (unfortunately). it’s about how many numbers relating to humanity happen to fit in between 0 and 100°. if i were designing a system of measurement from scratch i would set whatever baseline body temperature is at 100. call it the “go nude in the shade” temperature. the temperature at which the average person is at complete equilibrium with the room. for zero it would have to be something really cold so that “below zero” actually means something. the actual number is debatable but it definitely isn’t the point at which water freezes. fahrenheit isn’t perfect but it almost matches those those constraints and so, while certain climates might regularly fall outside the 0-99° range, i think most people in the world would agree that their definition of “temperate” falls in there, and outside that range is uncomfortable. also as a bonus the difference between freezing and boiling is 180°F, which is half 360°, which is a nice number.
below freezing is not subjective and tells you concrete things about the environment. i don’t see the advantage in having “temperate” on a 30 vs 20 degree scale, 1 degree C and 1 degree F are both imperceptible
it’s an advantage of having “below zero” actually tell you something, and to tell you something different from “below freezing”. it’s useful shorthand for “it’s fucking freezing out”
you can, or you can make things simple and use the human scale of measurement
simple and fahrenheit don’t live in the same province
what could be more simple than putting the freezing point of water at 32 degrees?
I admire your steadfastness. o7
it’s not the only stupidly unrelateable metric unit but it comes up the most.
“Stupidly unrelateable” lol. lmao
Americans stop universalizing your experience challenge (impossible)
ITT:
The exact same shit you’re hollering about but from the other side. It’s almost like it’s all pretty fucking lame and you should just log off.
Celsius is more useful
reason: it’s the unit people use
sidenote: a small, disadvantaged 3-4% minority never learned it, because of failures in their education system
SI is not “relatable” it is based on universally observable constants. no one has to ask another country “hey what’s a kilogram” or “how long is a meter” you just do some math
to be fairrrrrrrrrrr, us units are all defined through metric units. so same
Justifying why it’s not reallllly the same kinda bellyaching.
This web forum is a good source of consistency and intelligence at all times.
I never said anything about Celsius being better. I was pointing out that “Fahrenheit is more human” - a take I see all the time from Americans - only seems to hold water if you are familiar with Fahrenheit. But then it just reduces to Fahrenheit is good because it’s familiar. Which… yeah lol.
Celsius isn’t better for regular people with the sole exception of telling you what kind of precipitation is falling based on the minus sign. But it’s not worse either
put your punctuation inside your quotation marks and I’ll consider it
You can have the illogical quotations“,” or you can have the sympathy“.” Which“‘”ll it be“,” pardner“?”
it’s fine i don’t want your sympathy anymore, not like this 😫
If that’s a preference for weird quotations, your brain must be even colder than I thought. Can I get you a hat—perhaps one with two cans of warm, tasteless beer strapped to the sides—to heat it up again?
punctuation inside or outside of quotes depends on the content
no it doesn’t it depends on if it looks wrong and it looks wrong
That’s what I thought but I couldn’t tell you the content it depends on to save my life. I’m two ticks above Neanderthal , I think.
I’m a Fahrenheit defender but also a punctuation outside of quotations defender.
The only things inside the quotation marks should be the original quote itself. If the punctuation wasn’t part of the original quote, it should be outside the marks. I will die on this hill.
If I’m going to my real extreme position, what’s inside of quotation marks should be almost completely ignored by things outside them. You should have to double punctuation.
Example sentence : Jane told me “It’s hot outside today.”, and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
The period was part of Jane’s sentence, and should be included. My sentence however, had not concluded, and needs a comma after the quote and a period to end the sentence.
Allegedly, the “correct” way to write that sentence would be: Jane told me “It’s hot outside today,” and I said it’s only 70 degrees.
But this is garbage nonsense. Jane didn’t use a comma. Jane’s sentence was “It’s hot outside today.”, where are you picking up that comma from and where did her period go?
as I said before what really matters is if it looks wrong and that looks very wrong, making it incorrect. Im sorry i don’t make the rules
Breaking: US to adopt SI temperature unit KKKelvin
It’s 261 KKK outside rn
i will adopt nothing except probably a dog if I can ever afford it (i won’t)
Wishing you good fortune and a friendly dog to adopt you
The yankee brain was not designed to handle decimalization
PSA: Fuck yo fahrenheit
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that’s very rude of you
😤
Fahrenheit 420
how to know if someone’s American: thinking something the rest of the world does is exclusive to Europe
I’m sorry, I can’t understand. Do you happen to have a convenient burger analogy?
You’re either american or European and i can guess which you are
I’m going to guess that Europe constitute an overwhelming portion of the countries that use Celsius and regularly experience subzero temps
India and China have the most populations on earth and regularly have subzero temperature
OP probably interacts with more euros. Did we do a nationality survey here or was that too doxy?
Arent most of their populations concentrated in the warmer regions?
Yeah by that doesn’t mean there’s not dozens of millions of people in the rest of the country, if not hundreds. There’s 23 million in my wife’s home city metro area alone.
Got em
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We should just use both, Fahrenheit for when people are feeling it (or feelinheit m i rite) and Celsius for anything where measuring it matters
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Its useful for science, although it isn’t even an SI unit and is just as arbitrary as F
Kelvin
Correct, Celsius is not kelvin
Doesn’t help me when I live at 5600ft/1600m. Water doesn’t boil at the same temperature for a lot of people.
its useful for cooking and stuff
I love to compress the most common range of human temperature experience down into 30 degrees and also have to use negative numbers whenever it gets a bit cold
… are you afraid of negative numbers? what the hell is this, ancient greece?
since a °C isn’t even 2° F, this argument relies on there being a time where a difference of 1° F changed your decision-making
and negative immediately lets you know it’s below freezing temperature visually much faster than checking if it’s lower than 32
Are there not times when a difference of 1F changes your decision making? That is absolutely a noticeable difference in the temperature of a home. 76 I’m sweaty, 75 I’m comfortable.
Have you ever heard of this thing called a decimal point
Well yeah but that’s the point, the fact that Celsius requires using decimal points in order to accommodate a human scale is the thing that makes it worse
I’m not saying Celsius is unusable or anything, it honestly doesn’t really matter, we could measure temperature in Kelvin as long as we all understand. But if you’re designing a system, you should want it to be as smooth and painless as possible.
I have never used a decimal point tbc. I just don’t think you need that many gradations, and from my perspective having so many numbers seems like the opposite of painless. But it’s what you’re used to isn’t it, and not being bothered to learn a different system is perfectly valid. Just don’t try to tell me that farenheit makes more sense lol
Out of curiosity, do you ever adjust your heating or air conditioning by a single degree?
Out of curiosity, do you ever adjust your heating or air conditioning by a single degree?
Relatively frequently, although for the most part I’ve figured out the precise numbers that work well on my house and don’t change it
really embracing the climate control stalin mindset
That’s interesting, because mine is in C and I never feel the need for finer gradation than integers. In fact, sometimes I’ll even hop up/down by two. I can’t begin to imagine noticing the difference between 27 and 27.2
not for me, personally, but my thermostat does adjust in 0.5 °C increments. I guess I can’t assume that for everyone
Are you diabetic? Wait that sounds like I’m pathologising this. That’s rude and uncalled for. It’s just that I’ve heard of situations where people get that specific about room temperatures being linked to stuff like diabetes and I got curious.
I’m not but I do have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which can cause issues with temperature regulation
Ah that would make sense. Thanks for indulging m curiosity and sorry for the rudeness.
Have you considered saunas?
I would have to use negative numbers for outside temperature anyway, so what’s the point to have a system, where zero is the freezing temperature of some weird ammonium chloride brine?
guy who only found out what celsius is yesterday type post
i posted the other day about it being cold and someone was all “it’s -9C for me” like dawg that’s still like 30 degrees (F) higher than it’s gonna be for me so no actually this is to educate you people and inform you that I am going to be v cold which is important information for some
the only reason the US winter isnt legendary is cos germany never tried invading the US
sorry to hear that happened to you
Metric is wrong as it continues to be in base-10. Unfortunately, fahrenheit has the same issue. Communism cannot be achieved until we all agree to use Base-B metric.
I hate that I can convert C to Kelvin in my head no problem, but don’t know nothing about F other than 90F is close to 30C
12·3 months agoThe thing is that kelvin is just Celsius, plus 273.15.
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Yeah, that’s why I can do it, because it’s simple as all hell haha. I really am terrible at math, you have no idea. Absolute doofus level.
For Fahrenheit to Celsius conversion, you only need to calculate with twos:
- Divide by two
- Add two
- Subtract two from the tens (i.e., subtract 20).
For extra accuracy, after adding two (in step two 😉), slide that number over to the right (i.e., divide by 10) and add that on. Do this as many times as you are comfortable with (which can be none for rough calculations).
For example:
- 90ºF divided by two is 45
- 45 plus two is 47
- Subtracting two from the 4 in 47 leaves 27
This is quite rough so round it off: 30ºC
More accurately:
- 90ºF divided by 2 is 45
- 45 plus two is 47
- Sliding 47 over to the right makes 4.7
- 47 plus 4.7 is 51.7
- Subtracting two from the 5 in 51.7 leaves 31.7
This is a little rough so round it off: 32ºC.
Probably unnecessarily accurate:
- 90ºF divided by 2 is 45
- 45 plus 2 is 47
- Sliding 47 over gives 4.7, and again is 0.47
- 47 + 4.7 + 0.47 = 52.17
- Subtracting twenty makes 32.17ºC
There’s still an infinity of sliding that could go on so, once again, round off: 32.2ºC.
The usual (F - 32) * 5 ÷ 9 formula gives 32.222…ºC.
32F is 0C and its some weird arcane shit where it somehow syncs up at -40
10° C <-> 50° F
20° C <-> 68° F
30° C <-> 86° F
40° C <-> 104° Fyou can see here that 5° C = 9° F, but the ratio of 10 and 18 is easier to work with. if you remember these four points (and you surely already know 0° C = 32° F) you can freely interchange in your head or at least get a general idea what the weather will feel like
(with practice when someone says 25° C, you know that’s 68 + 9 = 77° F)
as other people in the thread have mentioned, within 5° C is about all the precision you need for weather anyway
It doesn’t help me due to having lore autism and not math autism, but the formula is: (temp in C + 32) * 1.8
That calculation gets a bit weird around zero C
That’s because the calculation is wrong, the operations are applied in the wrong order. F=(1.8·C)+32
Proof of my diagnosis
Why would I listen to someone speaking in absolute nonsense units? I only care about it by 26 burgerdegrees.
we should make americans use celsius not because its better or whatver but because we should make life harder for americans
can i stop being an american then because my life is hard enough, I just live here man
i love that i posted this shitpost expecting no engagement and here we’re at 120 comments, and that was on a day Stuff Happened too, damn
