• Miles O'Brien@startrek.website
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    I’d argue that with the government, we are there at face value, but the next level down “behind the lie”.

    It’s very much to me felt like they’re saying these things knowing that nobody believes them, like when the stereotypical TV mob boss says something like “I’m broken up about the death of your brother” with a smirk. We all know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, and they’re daring us to do something about it.

    And also I’d argue that for the MAGAts, they’re already a few pegs below the bottom. I’ve literally been called a terrorist this past week for pointing out Renee good was trying to turn away and leave, and Alex Pretti was unarmed and being beaten while not fighting back when he was executed.

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    NSPM-7 skips this step. We’re at the bottom rung here. If you are shot by ICE, you are domestic terrorist by virtue of the fact that you were somewhere they could shoot you.

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    the nazi stuff was legal all the way up to hitler taking out hitler. i posit the fourth flag should mention that.

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      Yes, but there’s another level below that where they stop manufacturing even the flimsiest of excuses for executing people. We aren’t quite there yet.

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        I disagree. The bottom rung already states they’re no longer making excuses and even questioning it results in you being labeled a traitor. The step above the bottom is also when they stop making excuses, you’re just not outright labeled a traitor.

        Edit: phrasing.

        Also, I’d argue we’re even already at the bottom rung in many cases. Just look what happened with Mark Kelly reminding the military it is their legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.

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    you forgot the whining stage: the USA is too big, we can’t organize, I have a job

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      Fitting username.

      Block the troll. Whole TRUCKLOADS of day-old accounts popping up all over the internet right now. Curious that.

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        Not much we can do, I’m also not in the US. Cancel Netflix and Amazon subscriptions maybe? I’ve changed one purchasing decision 2026 to a European brand instead of US.

        I’m sorry for what may have been unfair criticism, I guess I’m getting sick of hearing about USA.

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          I understand being sick of the USA. Unfortunately, their problems have a habit of affecting other countries, so often we’re forced to give a shit. I’d prefer that we didn’t have to and they could just leave the rest of us alone, but due to self-interest I feel obligated to pay attention and boycott US goods and services.

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        Yes. Through systems of organized and concerted prefiguration. Help your neighbors. Build networks. Make the state obsolete. Not only can you do your part all by yourself, it is essential to the rest of the movement that you do what you can.

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        I think it was more in reference to the fact that you said one of the things they said was “there’s nothing you can do about it”, and is asking what an individual can do about it

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          I just posted the meme. I live outside of the USA (thankfully). I’d hoped people in the USA would resist, hence the title of my post, asking if they’ll wake up.

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            Many of us are resisting, but there’s so much more in the way of organizing in the US that isn’t a problem in other countries.

            I’d love for us to band together like I see France doing. Shut down entire cities just by simply being in the street protesting.

            However, it’s a lot harder to get people together on something when half the people who want to help are one paycheck from being homeless and starving or dying from their untreated illness without Healthcare.

            It’s harder to organize when the people who want to organize are spread out over 300 million square miles.

            It’s harder to organize when historically any left-leaning group is constantly hounded by the Alphabet Squad (fbi/nsa/dhs/etc) and Republicans will abandon their guns before letting performative gasp a black man have one.

            Many of us are resisting, but when 1/3 of the population is cheering this shit on, 1/3 can’t be bothered to make up their minds, and the entire system stacked against the remaining 1/3 that will at least vote for a chance at change.

            Personally I’m helping network immigrants and their families near me so they have a plan of action if something happens and they need to leave quickly, physically protesting when I can, training firearms with some of the LGBT people I know, and trying to get some of the “on the fence” crowd I know to see reason.

            It’s not much, but it’s what I can do without becoming just some dead nut job in the street.

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            Resistance at this stage doesn’t look like the People™ taking to the streets and getting into fire fight with federal troops. That would be over and crushed in a matter of days. At this stage resistance is about building the necessary community connections to strengthen your position. Look into prefigurative politics and how they’ve factored into virtually every revolutionary project.

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              I used to think that Obama would just call us all up and have us storm the White House.

              I have since learned, resisting fascism isn’t like a movie. It’s more like dealing with an ant infestation. It’s gross, it’s all in your food, and when you improve one area they’ve infested another. But eventually if you keep going at it, things improve and you do get your house back.

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                That’s a really elegant analogy. I’m going to use that in the future while trying to explain this concept to people. Thank you

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            I thought resistance to fascism would be flashy. It is not. I’ve paid close attention to a lot of the different protests we have had. Some have been effective, some have not. I can explain in more detail if you wish, but it would be long.

            Millions are working against this at any given time. Just no one can agree on a single strategy. It’s a death by a million cuts kind of a situation.

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              This is what frustrates me about the people saying that posting memes on social media is bullshit and waving signs won’t change anything. Waving signs and parades were fundamental tactics of the Civil Rights movement. Those iconic photos from the Edmund Pettis Bridge? Just a bunch of people marching to the voter registration office. The Freedom Riders? Just people, including a bunch of privileged, white college students on a bus tour. Most of the marches, protests, etc we never even hear about formed the foundation, and it’s only when those boring, “useless” protests met ridiculous opposition that stirred MLK’s “white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice” to attention.

              That doesn’t mean that going to peaceful protests & remaining peaceful while the fascists fash is the only valid action. But it is the most accessible to the most people, and it is the one easiest to scale as more of those moderates get motivated. Resistance looks boring, until it suddenly isn’t.

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      i am doing the following:

      • shit posting while i shit.
      • being a first responder in my town.
      • commenting HARD and in person on what the local gov does.
      • hitting the range when i can afford it. (anyone got any 50ae i can borrow??)
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      No glib, no jokes: Some (more) of you are probably going to have to make some sacrifices. Willingly or otherwise (as has already happened). Others will have to get angry enough at their sacrifices to be motivated to make changes by what means are now necessary.

      That’s what is probably going to be what it takes, but I’m just extrapolating from history here.

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      General Strike this Friday and every Friday until this entire administration is impeached and DHS is abolished.

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        I don’t live in the USA (thankfully), so I don’t even have the choice of voting for two bad options (one is clearly worse than the other though).

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      Other than sitting on your ass complaining about people’s memes, what are YOU going to do about it?

      This is the dumbest retort you can give. Please rethink why you’re here.