In my vast expertise of reading a few books and listening to probably too many podcasts about the event it seems to me that Allen Dulles was the ringleader, but JFK and his brother speedran pissing off all of the most powerful and well entrenched political factions in their short stint in power that Allen didn’t have to try very hard to keep things under wraps and convince the rest that they’d profit from it not being an issue.
> Fires the guy whose job was assassinating heads of state
> Gets assassinated
> Guy who got fired gets on the investigative comittee which fucks up the investigation
Who could it be 🤔
I must say that from the Zapruder film, it really does look like he was shot from the front the second (?) time.
The first time they ever showed the complete film on TV was, I think, sometime in the 70s on a show hosted by Geraldo Rivera wearing bell bottoms (or something like that), and he warned the audience before showing it that “this is going to be pretty heavy, man.”
Somewhere down the JFK assassination documentary rabbit hole, I remember one commentator saying something like “we’re trying to determine the reality of an event from a series of two-dimensional moving images,” or something along those lines.
Anyway, noodling about this probably isn’t the best use of my time . . .
I love the theory that the second shooter was a secret service agent accidentally shooting their gun and hitting Kennedy while surprised reacting to the first shot, jumpy twitchy trigger finger. Explains the weird trajectory discrepancies
Idk if I believe it but I like it lol
This is arguably the worst theory of all, even considering the insipid lone gunman story that some members of the Warren Commission couldn’t pretend they bought. I believe Well There’s Your Problem proliferated it, which is a podcast actually related to British government officials and “anti-disinformation” people. Lol. By the way this never ends if you get interested in it. Never. Just keeps going and going until you realize everything you were expected to like about the west is just Epstein. Hate everything NOW
CIA and the MIC for sacking Dulles, warming to Cuba, and indicating that he would slow down / put the brakes on interventions in Vietnam and SA.
JFK was still an anti-communist imperialist, but he increasingly thought the best strategy for winning the cold war, and getting the world to line up behind US wasn’t more war, but soft-power initiatives like the space race, and more equitable economic ties with global south countries. His disagreements with chancellor Dulles led to his killing, Dulles’ restoration, and Dulles heading the investigation of JFK’s murder.
The CIA (but mostly Allen Dulles and his cronies)
Allen Dulles.
Very special bullet.
Other than an accomplished sniper, I don’t know. I’m more interested in who had him killed.
Fair point I’ve made a question update
I suspect the involvement of the CIA or some of their rogue assets, either mobsters or gusanos. He was allegedly warming towards Cuba, and I think that may have been part of the motivation. Blowback Season 2 made a pretty convincing argument for that scenario.
Better than most, would be good for the people here making nervous jokes to have a listen
This isn’t my bailiwick, but I think Peter Dale Scott and Arron Good may have some of the best answers. I don’t pay much attention to the matter, but IIRC, James Angleton and the Dulles brothers very likely were involved. It helps to ask: who covered up what really happened?
Getting into crackpot territory here, but I think the assassination might very well have had some connection to MKULTRA. The CIA destroyed all the files related to this, and so unless they missed some, we’ll probably never know for certain.
By MKULTRA link, do you mean Dr. Jolyon West visiting the imprisoned Jack Ruby who shortly afterward was discovered to have been permanently rendered a gibbering lunatic talking about hearing and seeing Nanking Massacre-esque scenes all around him?
Wherever I see MKULTRA I immediately think ‘Mortal Kombat Ultra’
I think Kennedy is a mole trap.
It’s the most well documented conspiracy ever, literally the textbook example of conspiracy theories. Every detailed has been looked at time and time again by every pair of braincells ever interested in conspiracy. There’s absolutely no chance that the government doesn’t have every single facet of it fully understood. Instead of giving it a case closed and a pretty bow, they leave it out there as a test. Any time some quack comes out with “secret insider information” and mentions Kennedy, they know they can write him off because anyone that really knows would know the Kennedy thing is a joke.
Every so often an agent has to go stir thr pot by asking this question so everyone still thinks it’s important.
We assassinated the president and covered it up so that we can more easily identify conspiracy theorists.
How is there any utility in being able to identify a few crackpots—only the ones who happen to crack their pot on this one particular event? How is Identifying crackpots of any use to the state?
Think of it like an expert playing dumb to catch someone lying about their specific field of study.
If I go out and say I’m a former government agent who had access to the must classified of classified documents, someone has to actually look into that on the off chance it’s real. If I follow by mentioning I know the truth about Kennedy, you can basically close the case there as there’s no “truth” to be known.
I met a guy named Sam Pate. He was a radio guy in Dallas in the 60s and was live on the air when it happened. He told me that the shooter escaped down the storm drain (they were much bigger then before the street was resurfaced), went through the tunnels under the city, and was on a plane to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead. https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/sam-pate-oral-history/
