I do not consider “less genocide” to be an acceptable criteria. I consider slowing it down to be a way to buy time to stop it completely if we can’t find a way to stop it immediately. Given that it’s been ongoing for several years and none of us have managed to stop it, maybe it would be beneficial to have more time to find a way to apply the pressure we need to.
Okay, let me rephrase this. If we can’t stop it immediately, limiting the death rate buys more time to do something about it. We should not stop fighting for it. We should not settle for anything less than a complete stop. But the slower the rate of deaths in Gaza, the more time we have to actually do something. If you have an idea of what to do that can get more immediate results, I’d ask both what it is and why it’s not being done already.
you slow the genocide by pushing for it to stop. It’s like you learned nothing from Trump’s success in politics. You make maximalist demands to get the most yield in compromises. You don’t hedge pre-emptively before negotiations even begin. This is why Democrats can lead you around by the nose, you have no ability to pressure them to do anything because you will always vote for them no matter what they do. In order to get them to yield, you actually have to enforce red lines.
Okay, you guys managed to enforce a red line. So the Democrats released the election autopsy report, admitted Gaza was why they lost, and started pivoting to support, right? Right?
No, they did their best to bury it and didn’t change shit.
I do not consider “less genocide” to be an acceptable criteria. I consider slowing it down to be a way to buy time to stop it completely if we can’t find a way to stop it immediately. Given that it’s been ongoing for several years and none of us have managed to stop it, maybe it would be beneficial to have more time to find a way to apply the pressure we need to.
You accepted it.
Supporting it’s perpetrators does the opposite, it entrenches genocide as the new political baseline that you’re “unrealistic” for opposing.
Okay, let me rephrase this. If we can’t stop it immediately, limiting the death rate buys more time to do something about it. We should not stop fighting for it. We should not settle for anything less than a complete stop. But the slower the rate of deaths in Gaza, the more time we have to actually do something. If you have an idea of what to do that can get more immediate results, I’d ask both what it is and why it’s not being done already.
you slow the genocide by pushing for it to stop. It’s like you learned nothing from Trump’s success in politics. You make maximalist demands to get the most yield in compromises. You don’t hedge pre-emptively before negotiations even begin. This is why Democrats can lead you around by the nose, you have no ability to pressure them to do anything because you will always vote for them no matter what they do. In order to get them to yield, you actually have to enforce red lines.
Okay, you guys managed to enforce a red line. So the Democrats released the election autopsy report, admitted Gaza was why they lost, and started pivoting to support, right? Right?
No, they did their best to bury it and didn’t change shit.
so they lose the next election too. or they don’t. either way nothing changes via ballots
If nothing could change at the ballots, the Republicans wouldn’t try so damn hard to suppress voters and gerrymander districts.
You do realize the Democrats have literally sued to keep third party challengers off the ballots right?