sorry
- marry someone from Hong Kong/Taiwan
- become full citizen before the merger
problem PRC?
I’m just a Filipino fisherman building my home on a Filipino island
Hello my future Hong Kong wife?
i will never accept this. with each day i become more powerful, more wise and more chinese.
not even the gods can slow my ascension.
We must all aspire to be more like Israel
We can all become Chinese (well, I already am, but that’s irrelevant)
One of the names of all times
Drinking tea, practicing Feng-Shui, burning incense, on my journey to become an immortal.
Smoking in lifts, on trains between the no smoking signs, in my bunk at the hostel. I’ve got this down 👇
I forgot, whist taking a shit at the fancy restaurant.
We’ll be watching from the periphery, quietly slipping into irrelevancy.
Personally I’m holding out for citizenship in reunified turtle island
No Chinese citizen and no star citizen
idk, I feel like to be the type of person to flee the US when shit gets tough (if I even could) would make me the type of person I was fighting against in the first place (someone able to do that in the first place). Like don’t get me wrong, there is value in moving. I have moved to different parts of the US, but it was because I didn’t feel at home where I was, and I moved to a community. But fuck i’m so tired of listening to liberals who are like “I’m moving to Europe!” on a whim. Like good luck I guess, unless you have a valuable job you are about to find out what it’s like to be one of us for a change. All of this to say, there is a very specific type of GTFO that some Americans have that is just annoying and speaks to the colonial upbringing that they haven’t dealt with at best. A example is Not Just Bikes. The guy has some very useful videos that I use a lot, but fuck I get so tired of his “everyone should just move to Europe” spiel he does every once in a while.
the average person could probably successfully move to a lot of random countries, not that it would always be easy. But the average person is not likely to successfully be 1 of a million americans trying to escape all at the same time.
Yeah, like, the type of people who have the ability to move to China in the event of major strife at home are the type of people I’ve been hating on for a long time.
There’s the escapism angle but also like, I’d rather spend my life and labor contributing to a decent country that isn’t the US. The shit we have to do for money, much of which, to some degree, feeds the imperialist machine no matter how far removed from the killing parts of it.
Like even teaching children, in and of itself an admirable and useful profession-- in the US they’re gonna grow up to be soldiers or war machine engineers, or be people who serve soldiers or war machine engineers, or the people who serve the people who serve etc etc etc. The entire fucking economy surrounds a death and extraction machine. There’s no guarantee that making a microcosm better or more efficient isn’t just making the macrocosm better or more efficient. Spending my life on a fascist tank trying to flip its hubcap socialist.
It’s a moot point because I can’t afford to move anywhere lol. And also pretty reductive and undialectical. But that’s the vibe that would push me towards leaving if it were a real possibility.
Atp I’m okay with living in a place that’s marginally better than my backwater village disguised as a country.
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I find it a little concerning the number of “existing in the imperial core is an unforgivable sin” type posts I see on this site. Maybe everyone here really is a turbo-idealist liberal…
I don’t really understand this point, and find it a bit dramatic and self-flagellating. You say “we shouldn’t be allowed to become Chinese citizens” because we stayed in the imperial core rather than “taking the hard and painful but correct action of emigrating”. So which is it? Should Westerners be allowed to emigrate to China or should they not? How long do you have to have lived in the West before you forfeit your right to emigrate, as punishment for not having emigrated soon enough?
Not trying to be a dick, I just really fail to see how this kind of defeatism/self-hatred helps anyone.
Self-flagellation is exactly what this is. It’s not like every Chinese citizen is a principled Marxist either. They’re random bozos just like me, who just happened to be born in a country with a competent socialist government, while I was born into a country led by bloodthirsty ghouls who are fully intent on killing the world to make number go up.
Acting like being born into the imperial core is some kind of original sin for which one must repent is esoteric nonsense. Do you want Nuremberg trials for Canadian bus drivers?
I highly agree. And to add on to your points one could get easily argue that staying and doing everything you can to try to build a socialist revolution in said imperial core is the correct action
Yeah, it’s emigration, not getting into heaven.
People be like “Chinese is the hardest language to learn and your brain is made of iron now” but you could do it. They offer classes.
“They’re treat you weird.” THEY TREAT ME WEIRD HERE!! There are people over here who notice my racial ambiguity but then they also think I’m gross because of it!
You could get a job in a multinational and apply then network in China. You could meet someone on a dating/language exchange/penpal app. You could network from the west. They’re still just people. They’re still just jobs in cities.
They have a visa process. They offer flights out there that are just in a different part of the airport. Your phone works over there. Your money still spends (likely better than it does at home).
I’m not familiar with their process of visa -> citizenship and I assume it’s difficult. But I’m sure you could live good, be prosperous, make friends, and roll with the punches (if not retire there after a dignified career) with extra paperwork. 1 in 1000 people get a black belt in BJJ, but a higher proportion than that enjoy getting a workout at the gym.
You can be as Chinese as you want to be.
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Yeah because the single mom working 2 jobs to barely makes ends meet is CHOOSING not to emigrate. It’s not that she can’t even afford a fucking passport much less moving to another country. This position you have is reactionary. A true marxist understands that the proletarians in a capitalist nation are VICTIMS! You seem to be under the impression that everyone in the Imperial core is having a good time. The Imperial core has millions of people living in abject poverty. The imperial core has homelessness. The imperial core is not a paradise for the people within it. It is hellish for over half the population. Many of those people are reactionaries too and hold racist, anti-communist, or other problematic views. This is because they have been endlessly propagandized to. The job of those who know better is to educate them. Not condemn them. When the USSR took over East Germany did it go “Well they were all Germans in Germany so they don’t deserve to live under communism now”? No. It developed a socialist state on the ruins of Naziism. It educated people to the best of its ability. Every worker being free means every worker and we must do the work of re-educating even the most vile and reactionary among them.
Get off the internet and read some Lenin.
(Edit to add: What do you mean traitor to whiteness btw? Are you saying any POC in America that doesn’t emigrate is loyal to whiteness?)
I have not read enough Lenin and I will fully and shamefully admit to this fact, though my total is not zero. What I have read however is Settlers, which elucidated clearly the contradiction and deception behind the idea of the white “working class” in the west. Judging by your edit it was not clear the group I was speaking of and I will also fully admit to that.
While as marxists we must always be aware of how racial perceptions play into class dynamics and keep in mind intersectionality that does not mean we should devolve onto a simplistic race based categorization of society. That is the realm of fascism NOT socialism. Marx was white. Lenin was white. Stalin was white. We judge people based on their actions not their race. There are white homeless people in the US. Are they not victims of capitalism? There are black millionaires like Kanye West who are out and about fascists. Are they not bourgeoisie? The world does not fit neatly into tidy little boxes. People cannot be judged by adding up their demographic information.
I don’t really know what this means. It has never (in my lifetime at least) been easy to emigrate to China from the West, and it again seems very dramatic and a bit idealist to pretend that what should compel people to emigrate is some kind of socialist ethic and deliberate rejection of money, rather than material realities like standard of living, possibility of education and work etc. all of which will presumably only compel more and more westerners as the West deteriorates and China flourishes.
Maybe I’m taking you literally when you’re doing some sort of Disco Elysium style poetry, in which case, carry on.
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ah, youre a BE fan. that explains it all
gross, bad empanada
Framing it like a choice like China is like “please move here we’ll pay all costs included”
Lmao i swear to god you people think youre so important
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