I mean at least it is an instance doing the defederation and announcing it publicly (so people who don’t like this can leave). This also makes a great example for people who don’t understand the difference between banning lists in apps vs instances.
I’m willing to bet he’s an admin or mod on there 🤣
When I read the summary of the rant he made about “leaving” first thing I thought was “sure buddy”. There’s no way someone like that doesn’t have at least one alt, if only for testing development of their program.
Who knows how bad the infestation is of alts.
You’d think they’d keep a lower profile after breaking a federal law in the country they’re in.
Fortunately he’s comically bad at sockpuppeting and he’s all over these posts that are mocking him, on multiple alts, so you can just peruse and make a list if you like.
hes kirk@startrek.website
Absolutely. The batshittery that’s happened there in the past is a smaller scale mirror of what’s going on now
The federation has fallen to the dominion, changelings are sabotaging it from the inside.
They’ve been corrupt long before this whole thing.
Feeling a lot better about being banned from there.
As you should.
There are dozens of us, but we all have a least 5 alts. EDIT:There, not they…
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Lol
LMAO
I want you to point out exactly what sentence I said that supports me promoting and encouraging harassment lmfao
The “you” in this case is dbzer0 as a whole, since it’s about defederation.
I want you to point out exactly what sentence we said that supports us promoting and encouraging harassment lmfao
I have no idea what all this is. But you YOU are an insufferable twat. So if you are here repping your favorite instance… I’m gonna start thinking Star Trek folk might have a point, as Star Trek people tend to.
Nevermind that the whole federated thing was obviously going to blow up eventually anyway.
But you YOU are an insufferable twat.
As an outside observer, only one of you looks like an “insufferable twat” right now, and it isn’t him.
I want you to point out exactly what sentence we said that supports us promoting and encouraging harassment lmfao
Ctrl c
Ctrl v to you too
Lmfao
Try again.
Eugene: “can you back up you claim in any way, shape, or form?”
You: “no. u. lmfao.”
Oh, ffs. Are you six…?
What violence and harassment? Surely you’ll give proof this time, Patrick.
You’re posting about db0 in MWOG over this
and trying to get sh.itjust.works to defederate.Posting about users on MWOG is actively calling for harassment.The projection is real.
*edit Already deleted the defederate thread. Get wrecked.
Patrick is really trying to use anything he can to look like a victim here.
I deleted it. Will try again in 1 week per your advice to wait until things “calm down” won’t make any difference. Startrek.website defederated for a good reason. Others will follow.
Others will follow!
Good lord dude, stop huffing your own farts and touch grass. You fucked up and got called out. Be the bigger person and move on, like the adult you claim to be, instead of whining at everyone on all these alts.
In case the many, many, many posts and comments all across the fediverse haven’t made it clear, no-one is impressed, and no-one likes you.
In case the many, many, many posts and comments all across the fediverse haven’t made it clear, no-one is impressed, and no-one likes you.
Who’s talking about me across the fediverse? I haven’t seen anyone talking about me, other than the few people who reply to me.
I don’t understand how Patrick hiding a DDOS attack in his “goodbye” message isn’t grounds for banning his alts on that server according to their policy. It literally is breaking the law in many countries
Edit: for that matter, .world should consider the same for his alts there
Lemmy.world isn’t going to take action against his account. They already don’t take actions against the no-content sockpuppet accounts and extremist trolls who use their instance. They should take action against them, they likely won’t though.
Lemmy.world isn’t going to take action against his account.
Of course not. He’s basically jordanlund if he knew how to code.
Maybe he is Jordanlund, it’s certainly possible. I don’t think one could meaningfully prove otherwise.
Do you really think jordanlund would be able to stay away from this thread if it were him?
Who’s to say he hasn’t? Using alts is a form of engagement. Using his main account risks being banned for it in a lot of places, and that stops him from doing that smug confrontation thing he likes to do.
How many do you think he’s got? I swear I just found one called Eristalis created a day ago lol
Just coming back to confirm that’s an AP account lol
That’s fucking hilarious, I called that shit within his first three comments on it
James R Kirk - he was posting like an impartial observer on Fediverse vs Disinformation @db0 in a breakdown of the ban list thread. Things like:
The dev posted a response in c/Tesseract but you’re mostly correct. They wanted to make it easier for like minded future admins to be able to spin up a Lemmy instance without having to know all of the lore.
Then when people called him out he started becoming a frothing troll.
Pretty sure the dude saying how everyone who blew up over the shitlist was doing illegal shit is one too
Doing illegal shit is a requirement for being a human rights activist in the USA today.
always has been
looks like cardboardcruncher6400 is another, He’s basically manifestoing all over the shitpost thread
I’m losing count of his sock puppets at this point
there’s another one asking “reasonable” questions and claiming noscript blocks db0 (and intimating it’s therefore suss)
I just think it’s hilarious that instead of “saving” the fediverse they fractured it. Whiney removed love to break shit then whine about it being broken.
I just think it’s hilarious that instead of “saving” the fediverse they fractured it.
I dunno. The fediverse seems mostly united against admiralpatrick and his alts.
Nah they sadly have world to fall back on along with startrek.website
I would say they’ve brought the fediverse together like never before. I don’t think this many people have agreed on a single thing in the history of fedi.
Agreed.
It showed the broad spirit of the users, and that the fundamental nature of the federation design model… works literally exactly as it was intended to.
Sure, you can be the petty tyrant of your own fiefdom.
But no one rules everything, and anyone, at a comparatively low actual cost of entry, can make their own fiefdom, if they want to.
Maybe we should all be thanking nutomic and Dessalines, regardless of any specific disagreements any of us may have with them, for doing the fundamental conceptual and coding work.
Lemmy’s origin story:
Or, frankly, because of the disagreements. Whatever bullshit you can say they pulled, at least it wasn’t, yknow, this.
Absolutely, well said.
It’s true, we usually spend most of our time hating eachother for not being the right kind of leftist. This has been a united front as far as I’ve seen.
Hell, it’s the first time I’ve seen everyone open to reasonable discussions of ideas like his in a long time. By setting up a boundary that everyone vocally agrees is unacceptable suddenly there’s a sense of trust that people aren’t all rushing towards it.
I would definitely agree. Despite our differences, we all have one thing in common. We don’t like being deceived by those who build the frontends we use. We trust our credentials to these people and trust they aren’t going to screw us over. He violated that trust and people are right to be pissed about it.
Can’t have your little kingdom when it’s not fractured from the whole.
This whole situation is bizzare
what ddos attack? link?
I mean, does it really count as separate drama or a continuation of existing drama?
Continuation for sure.
The whole “you violated our policy but we can’t tell you how you violated it” thing has heavy big-tech gaslighting vibes.
It even has the “here is a link to the entirety of our policy” trope. Like com’on, bruh, this is actually making me angry just reading it regardless of context.
I loathe that sort of shit.Smells like Reddit
That’s because they were the star trek mods from reddit pre-apicalypse. Not having duplicate communities in Reddit and all power concentrated into one mod group or even worse one person is what attracted me to Lemmy in the first place. Not all, but from what I’ve seen, former mods from Reddit tend to have the entitlement of my community should be the only community.
That was my first instance. Turns out it’s the star trek has gotten too woke kind of people running it?! Ah well, llap 🖖
Yeah it’s a real shame that st.w is run by Section 31 and Admiral Leyton.
I think they actually use star trek as a cover to find leftist and trans people to add the to their list
Yeah, my opinion of leave other people the fuck alone was too extreme, got me on the list, which i found hilarious.
Report to your nearest Starfleet officer if you’re aware of anyone queer or has communist sympathies, Admiral Patrick McCarthy needs your support to Make Lemmy Reddit Again
I had forgotten the reason the .website was first formed, and then some of the posters returned to .world later. I wonder if there is anyone out there documenting all the different lore bits.
Well, I’m the one who caused the exodus from Startrek.website so… if you’ve got any questions, just ask.
The tl;dr was thus:
ST.W was made in response to redditors leaving reddit. It was created, and is run, by the same moderators who created and ran /r/StarTrek. Those moderators have a metric ton of drama surrounding them on reddit to the point that Star Trek fragmented into a hundred different subreddits to avoid being associated with what everyone was considering toxic moderation. Even toxic by reddit standards.
So when startrek.website started, the same behavior did too. Curtailing opinions is a big one. ValueSubtracted@Startrek.website, one of the admins, literally cannot help himself. He’s a diehard defender of the newer treks, much like I am, but he takes any slight against the show as an active insult. Where I will only remove things that are categorically false or dogwhistle-type homophobia/racism, he will remove anything that is negative about the newer shows. He will tell you to stay on topic or be positive and refuses any negative coverage.
I first joined startrek.website as Stamets (although I was on lemmy before that) and started posting. Things were going well until I started seeing posts removed from their Star Trek meme community for nonsense reasons. I asked the admins what was up and they handwaved away the abuse from the moderator of that community (USS Burrito Truck) and their own abuse. So I left startrek.website and set up TenForward on lemmy.world (something I’ve left for Risa@lemmy.dbzero.com although I’ve been very inactive for the past month due to life). I sent messages to the other big posters who were active, friends of mine by that point, asking if they’d want to join me on TenForward. They said yes. By this point, nothing was really posted publicly by me save for a comment or two around the time I left. Those comments were removed/deleted.
The first couple weeks went by smoothly for the comm but not for me. ValueSubtracted started reaching out to several admins of different instances, asking them all to ban me from their instances. Those admins all reported it to me like “What is his problem?” and denied him. So I made a post on Mastodon saying that people should consider staying away from startrek.website due to some odd admin decisions. Within 24 hours I had gotten an email from my mastodon instance saying that there was a report against that post and I needed to clarify it with my admin. I gave her the information and she said the report had no merit and dismissed it. But it was clear who made the report.
We then started getting reports on TenForward for every tiny comment and every tiny post, accusing the community of causing cross instance harassment that was directed towards them. Most of these comments were passively talking about what was going on. There was no hate or harassment but the reports were coming from ValueSubtracted and were overloading the report section. Like maxing out the character count.
I asked him politely to stop several times and he kept doubling down and refusing to stop. It was at that point, realizing he wouldn’t stop until he was forced to, that I made a giant post about it. Included all the screenshots of the private messages he sent me, the reports, the insane shit, everything. Proving conclusively that the level of harassment they had risen to was going across multiple websites.
That post was lost when I deleted my lemmy.world account. Or so I thought. Someone sent me the internet archive page for it yesterday. So if you’re curious yourself…
I’m struck by incompetent of moderators they must be to think these attacks would work
It’s pathetic. They tried the same thing again a few months ago when I made another post updating their sketchy behavior. They’re so predictable that I used the phrase ‘scorched earth’, quoting VS as probably saying thats what he was going to do. Little did I know until after was that he did use that phrase. When I quoted him for it, he lost his fucking mind and had a meltdown in the matrix channel before leaving in a huff.
Well, now I know what kind of person enjoys Star Trek: Discovery lol
I do too. Careful lol
I made a single comment asking how someone can be anti-trans and a fascist boot licker but also a star trek fan.
Guess who I asked.
I guess we know the answer
Thanks for asking. I have the same questions!
So you called them names and they kicked you to the curb? Shocking development
An old .world account that got turned on after Patrick had his shitfit, and defends Patrick. Hmmm…
He just can’t help himself! No matter how many times he says he’s quitting the platform, he’s back before you know it. It’s hilarious how transparent and obvious his alts are.
It’s one thing to have an alt, (I do, and I intentionally block my account and all politics/negative things to keep space, it’s more for looking at memes and making them), its another to pretend it’s not you and defend yourself.
The way he uses these alts is very Reddit-like, keeping them dormant until it is time to wake them up to sockpuppet. He has to invent false users to side with him because he’s utterly alone otherwise and he can’t handle it. Nobody else sees him for the last bastion of Lemmy sanctity and purity that he thinks he is.
How many differently named alts is it normal to have? I could accept like, one or two for safety reasons (never want to connect too much info about yourself). But the known ones (Admiral Patrick, ptz, Kirk) plus all the others who feel suspiciously strongly in favor of him despite being almost entirely inactive is for sure suspicious. Like… whatcha stockpiling all those for, man??
If you’re doing app development you tend to aquire accounts - straightforward things like testing interactions between users in different conditions means you quickly wind up with a spare heap of them. It’s why pretty much every open-source crashout like this has the same period of rooting out alt accounts and “randos” coming to defend a dev “they” like after being inactive for years.
I think by the time you hit 5 you need a long hard look in the mirror. 1 for NSFW stuff you don’t want to associate with your main is normal, 1-2 for breaking up information or other stuff. Then 1 more because I’m sure there are other reasons. But 5? What are you even doing at 5?
weird amount of those lately…
It’s not name calling when it’s what they do.
So when do instances start defederating startrek.website since they clearly want to be alone?
lemy.lol has announced to defederate 30 minutes ago and is currently defederated.
And much respect to them for how they handled this/themselves.
tbf the prime directive clearly states ‘open source devs have the right to embed obfuscated arbitary blocklists in their software without notyifying users, and DDOS anyone who points it out’
I want to let you know, this is my current favorite comment 🤘
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I guessed I’d be seeing something here with the bans and removals that started cropping up in that thread…
100% PTB. Just removing anyone who is pointing out that its related to tesseract, a total lie, etc.
