• doben@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    And since you really don’t need to be a Communist or Putin-Troll to have a more sober perspective on this war, you could also just learn from people like John Mearsheimer, a so-called neorealist, western political scientist based in NY, who actually just started a YT-Channel of all things. And in his first proper video, he explains his perspective on the origins of the war in Ukraine.

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      If you believe it’s “sober” to say that the war started in 2022 and not in 2014 when russia annexed Crimea, yeah, I guess you could agree with his perspective. I guess what’s generally believed only matters when it aligns with what you believe and doesn’t when it goes against it.

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        4 days ago

        We’re not talking about believing. We’re talking about what is. “When did the war start” is not as relevant as you make it out to be. It’s just besides the point.

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          Of course it’s relevant. Because it’s russian propaganda. The war started in 2014. If he pretends it didn’t, it’s because he’s looking at it from putin’s frame. Like with israel and Palestine where israel tries to pretend everything started on October 7th.

          Well guess what? russia’s been a shit neighbor since freaking moscow was founded…Ask any of them. So if you blame nato for the fact that the neighbors ask for help with defense, then… Yeah… Hell, they’re shit to their own fucking population, let alone neighbors… It’s no surprise.

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            Dude, everything is either Chinese or Russian propaganda. Lol!

            If he pretends it didn’t, it’s because he’s looking at it from putin’s frame.

            That‘s dumb. People have independent thought. You‘re looking at it from US imperialism‘s frame. Grats.

            Like with israel and Palestine where israel tries to pretend everything started on October 7th.

            Yes, like with Israel, here the West again, tries to pretend everything started at a specific date. Correct.

            The rest of your comment is just cope, sorry. I‘m shocked how true this meme rings.

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              So russia annexed Crimea, russia sent troops to Donbas but it’s still american imperialism. So there’s no both sides are bad, there’s no individual thought… It’s full on “the evil west”… At least the answer to all problems is simple… I envy you.