• rockSlayer@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is what always fascinated me about observing preindustrial societies in star trek, they try to interfere as little as possible

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    9 days ago

    Sometimes I feel anxious because I’m not sure what category I fit into and then I remember the source of my anxiety is actually just the insistence that I must fit into a category.

    • Wobble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 days ago

      Where do you think Engels would place them on his “stages of barbarism”? The “lower stage of barbarism” he gave to the Iroquois Confederacy and I would be interested in the assessment of the working family of cavelivers.

  • megopie@beehaw.org
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    9 days ago

    The naturalist fallacy is annoying, fr. It’s tempting to point out that oft claimed “traditional” authoritarian systems are relatively recent inventions and not how humans have lived for most of our existence… but that doesn’t mean that how people did used to live is some ideal to live up to. Shity coercive and extractive systems aren’t shitty due to being unnatural, they’re shitty because they’re coercive and extractive.

    Like, we can decide what our priorities are and craft our society in a way that best achieves that. I don’t really want to live on a diet of foraged roots and nuts, and I don’t want 95% of people alive today to die to make that sustainable.

    • AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml
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      9 days ago

      I think it reminds us that the modes of social organization are far larger than our imagination. What is possible is far greater than what our society lets us think what is practical.

      Examining early social arrangements doesn’t give us a moral rulebook, but it does demonstrate that human nature possesses a deep capacity for egalitarianism and self-regulation that modern hierarchies often treat as impossible.

      And while early societies aren’t a blueprint for the modern world, understanding the environments we evolved in helps us recognize the human scale, social needs, and physiological constraints that modern institutions often overlook.

    • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      9 days ago

      I haven’t read many people seriously putting forward retVrn to monkeh but knowing what has come before is useful for understanding what might come after.

      In both the sense of what undesirable social arrangements are likely to arise and how they have been avoided, and which that are desirable have been realised and may be easier than some other desirable ones for which there is no evidence of.

  • alapakala@quokk.au
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    9 days ago

    i dunno. “dat man with 𓐬 stab people, stabbing bad.” seems easy enough.