Around 30-something% of people voted for Harris. The rest voted for pedohitler or didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, you helped pedohitler be where it is.
Nah. Fuck the US government we don’t have control of it. US isn’t a real democracy if it ever was.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions. Frankly if all you’re doing is voting for Harris in this current disaster then you are barely better than a non-voter anyway.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions.
Yes, it does. If your choices are Hitler and someone you disagree with but who’s not Hitler and you don’t vote, you’re saying that both Hitler and the other person are OK for you. So yeah, you are accepting that getting Hitler as president is fine.
Or maybe you fell for disinformation or maybe you just weren’t paying attention or maybe you thought your vote was more impactful boosting a third Party candidate because your state wasn’t going to be close anyway or maybe you couldn’t get off work that day and they closed the polling station near your house so it would have taken 2 hours by bus and you’d have gotten fired.
Lots of reasons people didn’t do the optimal thing around voting. Some of those are more excusable than others but none make you directly responsible for the things Trump and his followers are doing. They are responsible for their own actions. We are responsible for our own. That’s all.
And again, I personally don’t think we will get out of this solely by voting. People need to stop limiting political action solely to making a largely inconsequential mark on a piece of paper.
Trump is America’s great shame. He has harmed people financially all over the world, and he has presided over a dramatic increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the same way todays Australians bear the responsibility for attrocities perpetrated on first nations people before we were born, Americans for generations to come will bear responsibility for Trump.
I think we have an ethical obligation to do what we can to stop him, because there are some levers of power we have access to that can harm his power. Voting is one of them, and I encourage people to do it. Tax resistance, protesting, organizing work, and direct action are even more effective, so arguably between people who solely vote and solely do those things, the voters are not pulling their weight.
But having an ethical responsibility to act and being directly, personally responsible are two different things. You fundamentally can’t blame people for the actions of someone else. That’s not right. No matter what the non-fascists in the US do, the fascists are going to continue trying to do all the horrible things they do. And due to their various illegal and unethical schemes, they’ve rigged the electoral system to give them minority rule.
The only reason people believe stuff like this is because of nationalism. People are indoctrinated to believe that nations are some homogeneous cohesive entity. Nations aren’t real. They’re just artificial collections of individuals only united by the systemic oppression of the state. It’s not much different than gender or racial essentialism. And it’s the same reason Israelis blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th instead of merely the soldiers and leaders who carried it out. This is the logic of collective punishment, and it should be attacked everywhere it appears.
People really overestimate in how much of the US a person’s vote for president matters. Like 2/3rds of the states aren’t even within reach of a wave election. And the people who could have an impact on the result but stayed home aren’t in a niche politics forum and are really checked out of politics. Like shockingly so. A non-voting acquaintance of mine was going to vote for a conservative nobody because he thought their name sounded cool.
The idea that the 30% non-voters should vote makes sense in a civic ideal sort of way, but they’re not going to show up as secret defenders of liberal democracy. They’re going to be very susceptible to propaganda and those that aren’t are going to vote for Idiocracy-level dumb reasons. Trump’s initial election made big gains from non-voters who are now shocked that he’s doing things he said he’d do.
Around 30-something% of people voted for Harris. The rest voted for pedohitler or didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, you helped pedohitler be where it is.
Harris supported sending billions in weapons to Israel and did so. So you voted for this as well.
“If you don’t participate in an evil system, then you’re responsible for it.”
Nah. Fuck the US government we don’t have control of it. US isn’t a real democracy if it ever was.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions. Frankly if all you’re doing is voting for Harris in this current disaster then you are barely better than a non-voter anyway.
Yes, it does. If your choices are Hitler and someone you disagree with but who’s not Hitler and you don’t vote, you’re saying that both Hitler and the other person are OK for you. So yeah, you are accepting that getting Hitler as president is fine.
Imagine believing there’s a non-hitler choice in USA. jfc.
The two choices were Hitler. Biden was in the middle of a genocide and then trump came in and continued it.
Or maybe you fell for disinformation or maybe you just weren’t paying attention or maybe you thought your vote was more impactful boosting a third Party candidate because your state wasn’t going to be close anyway or maybe you couldn’t get off work that day and they closed the polling station near your house so it would have taken 2 hours by bus and you’d have gotten fired.
Lots of reasons people didn’t do the optimal thing around voting. Some of those are more excusable than others but none make you directly responsible for the things Trump and his followers are doing. They are responsible for their own actions. We are responsible for our own. That’s all.
And again, I personally don’t think we will get out of this solely by voting. People need to stop limiting political action solely to making a largely inconsequential mark on a piece of paper.
Actually, that’s not really true I’m sorry.
Trump is America’s great shame. He has harmed people financially all over the world, and he has presided over a dramatic increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the same way todays Australians bear the responsibility for attrocities perpetrated on first nations people before we were born, Americans for generations to come will bear responsibility for Trump.
I think we have an ethical obligation to do what we can to stop him, because there are some levers of power we have access to that can harm his power. Voting is one of them, and I encourage people to do it. Tax resistance, protesting, organizing work, and direct action are even more effective, so arguably between people who solely vote and solely do those things, the voters are not pulling their weight.
But having an ethical responsibility to act and being directly, personally responsible are two different things. You fundamentally can’t blame people for the actions of someone else. That’s not right. No matter what the non-fascists in the US do, the fascists are going to continue trying to do all the horrible things they do. And due to their various illegal and unethical schemes, they’ve rigged the electoral system to give them minority rule.
The only reason people believe stuff like this is because of nationalism. People are indoctrinated to believe that nations are some homogeneous cohesive entity. Nations aren’t real. They’re just artificial collections of individuals only united by the systemic oppression of the state. It’s not much different than gender or racial essentialism. And it’s the same reason Israelis blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th instead of merely the soldiers and leaders who carried it out. This is the logic of collective punishment, and it should be attacked everywhere it appears.
People really overestimate in how much of the US a person’s vote for president matters. Like 2/3rds of the states aren’t even within reach of a wave election. And the people who could have an impact on the result but stayed home aren’t in a niche politics forum and are really checked out of politics. Like shockingly so. A non-voting acquaintance of mine was going to vote for a conservative nobody because he thought their name sounded cool.
The idea that the 30% non-voters should vote makes sense in a civic ideal sort of way, but they’re not going to show up as secret defenders of liberal democracy. They’re going to be very susceptible to propaganda and those that aren’t are going to vote for Idiocracy-level dumb reasons. Trump’s initial election made big gains from non-voters who are now shocked that he’s doing things he said he’d do.