• Zephorah@discuss.online
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    Probably. Establishment dems like Schumer and Jeffries don’t work for us, they work for their investors.

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    The fight never stops. I don’t mean that in an apathetic or pessimistic way.

    I mean, we need to keep fighting and never stop fighting.

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      That’s going to be exhausting, fending off attacks on the government forever. But I can see why it is needed, we are living with the consequences of letting the cruel and greedy take over.

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        It always has been, which is why it gets bad in the first place. People get complacent and then you’re fighting for your life.

        There are people fighting for their lives now…

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      Yeah, the elections were a small step in a very long and difficult journey.

      We’re morally obliged to put in the work, even though it may not be done in our lifetimes.

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    Count the ones who get campaign contributions from those industries, and you’ll have your answer. How is this even a question at this point? We all know what the fuck is going on.

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    Leave it to corpo media to pretend we all thought the midterms were a magic button that would fix everything overnight.

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      Hey, we do have more progressives in office than ever before, in spite of the money fighting it. THAT is the win.

      The rest will likely be disappointing. The question is, are we going to sit around wishing for some white knight establishment dem to ride to the rescue or are we going to push back, more.

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        The question is, are we going to sit around wishing for some white knight establishment dem to ride to the rescue or are we going to push back, more.

        Yep. They’re (intentionally) mistaking celebrating our small victory for a conclusion of hostilities. We know it’s not over and it’s not gonna BE over until the people are once more in control of their own government.

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          Which is why I think they’ll give us Schumer (again, its that defined 7 on a pair of 6 sided dice).

          I encourage you and anyone else working class to read up on revolutions. The fellow who did the series Andor has. Tony Gillroy. Match it with historians. People who run governments do study it. They vent the people. Sometimes talking sideways is enough. Sometimes you have to throw a bone to release some of the pressure built up behind the hunger. Good odds Schumer will be the bone.

          The difference is we do have a few more players. Not just Sanders and AOC. Even so, odds there are not in our favor.

          I think after venting us they’re going to point to 2025 and use that fear come 2028 vs doing things to improve our lives.

          One small example. Remember, NIOSH was gutted. These are our filters for all of construction and trades and all of healthcare, including prehospital, including firemen.

          Every person in those professions is in danger because their safety gear regulators have been gutted. Even some random school teacher who likes to woodwork. Filters against that fine dust inhalation? Well. Maybe they’ll be ok? Whose to say? Lead remediation on your old house? Asbestos? Maybe. Sure. They surely wouldn’t roll back quality just because it’s not being regulated. Would they? /s

          Bits like that crap deal could all be packed into a bill. A big beautiful bill, one that should already be written and ready to go. But is it?

          They’ll vent us, they’ll have to. Just enough to prevent rioting. And then I think they’ll try to ease back into the usual. Just don’t be fooled by the venting. See it for what it is.

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            I hadn’t heard the concept venting before and it’s a useful one for sure.

            The only way to drive real change is to get mad and stay mad until the change you want to see is there. Knowing you’re being vented and expecting it is crucial in this, thanks for pointing this out.

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              The diivided, scattered info sources that place all of us on a slightly different page when it comes to information also helps prevent focused anger. There may be individual focus, but crowd focus is gone.

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            Bits like that crap deal could all be packed into a bill. A big beautiful bill, one that should already be written and ready to go. But is it?

            When could they find the time over the last two years of doing nothing? Also, who would write it? They’re law makers. Law writing is something done by corporations.

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      The new people who were elected mostly don’t even start until January! There’s still time for the people on their way out to fuck things up.

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        President Roosevelt recognized that the long-range interests of his coalition and the Democratic Party were best served by encouraging radical groups, whether inside or outside the party, to feel as though they were part of his political entourage.

        This is why I laugh at calls for unity over progress. The thing we’re being asked to have unity with wants us to stop fighting and let the status quo win.

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    Centrists need depopulation in Congress. We will not recover for generations already with what has been undone. We don’t need more of the same ole obstacles.

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      Centrists need depopulation.*

      If you’re dumb or evil enough to be a neoliberal in this day and age, after witnessing essentially everything getting worse across the west and the wider world due to neoliberal policies, it might not be possible to reeducate you.

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        You have too much faith in how smart Americans are. Most just want the optics of dems being in power even if they’re nothing but republicans running as dems because they don’t like Trump but like every other part of the GOP platform

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          As someone who’s lived in multiple midwest/flyover states, not really. The median American is a leftist. They want healthcare for all (genuinely ask any Oklahoman how jealous they are of Native Americans in the state). They want strong labor protections. They want cheaper rent and most want public housing back. Most all of them recognize that the wealthy (though many do limit it to ‘some’ of the wealthy) are responsible for how poorly their life has gone, and the main struggles they’ve found in life. They want to help their neighbors and in many small towns you’ll find just straight up a Sharing Economy, which is a genuine possible path for post-socialist economics at the local level; and they recognize that the state should only exist for conflict disputes. Hell, until 2001 you could not find a single ‘rural’ or what would now be ‘MAGA’ voter that supported the existence of police or their ability to just stop people. Until 2009 it was hard to find any that actually supported immigration restrictions or ‘anti-dei’ or ‘integration.’ Like genuinely they were incredibly rare.

          So there is hope. But because democrats chose neoliberalism and chose to make the singular difference between the parties ‘who can tie populist ideas to their platform first,’ many Americans went full conservative/MAGA, despite not knowing what those positions actually entail, and most Americans just because disillusioned with american democracy and chose to exclude themselves since both parties were genuinely the same exact platform in 1992-2000.

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    Yes, because we have 2 political parties and they both suck (one more than the other). Neither represent the people (as is their job). They represent the billionars. The ship is going down and there are no life boats for us. Enjoy what is left.

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        I wish I had an idea of how to combat this. If I did, I wouldn’t hold it back. I can only hope someone smarter than I am can come up with something.

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          American democracy relies on an engaged, educated populace, and the less personal, individual engagement there is the more fragile it becomes. The Founders knew this; we are now all very painfully having to relearn it.

          The bare minimum that ANYONE can do, no matter their circumstances, is to self-inform and to engage with the business of democracy. Instead, you’ve given up and you’re here to gloom on others that are engaged, so that they self-select out as well.

          Again, here’s what you actually wrote, which I will also note has sfa to do with the article or the thread and merely reacts to the headline:

          Yes, because we have 2 political parties and they both suck (one more than the other). Neither represent the people (as is their job). They represent the billionars. The ship is going down and there are no life boats for us. Enjoy what is left.

          Try engaging and self-educating. Stop wallowing in defeatist bullshit and mentally engage with what is before you. You didn’t even read the article.

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      I think if they had real intent, the DNC side of it, not the progressive side of it (who we know already are with We The People), there would have been a short version of P25. They’ve had 2 years to draft something and that’s way more time than anyone needs. Where’s the Build Back Better 2027 (or whatever politics happy phrasing you prefer)?

      It’s missing. Which spells out what they intend. The standard platter of nada.

      Here’s hoping our progressives are scrappy.

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        Hell, in that time they should have had a suite of options prepared for every electoral outcome. Constantly reacting from a blank page is part of their failure.