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Same logic:
You don’t hate capitalism. You hate the version of it taught to you by someone who took the easiest educational track possible.
Actually I hate it cause my parents and grandparents suffered under it in the GDR. None of them own yachts or houses either.
Socialism isn’t far enough. We need anarcho-com.
Good point but what your parents and grandparents went through was not just socialism and to pretend that it was only socialism is disingenuous at best and propaganda at worst.
The issue isn’t that I don’t like socialism as most proponents describe it. I also like Hogwarts as the books describe it. The issue is I still think trying to build Hogwarts is dumb. Just like trying to implementing socialism the way people described it to me. It just clearly wouldn’t work, because people don’t magically stop being selifsh and greedy for money and power when you change economic systems.
I’ve said this a few times before, but it’s wrong to think that most people are greedy/selfish. The capitalist class and the political figures they buy are extreme outliers. We over-index on them due to a mix of negativity bias and the fact that they say everyone is greedy to justify their own positions of power.
Just think about it: Humans are an inherently cooperative species. We developed language so that we could work more effectively in groups and slowly built up complex social relationships that lead to us becoming wildly successful. The fact that some psychopaths learned to take advantage of our group dynamics shouldn’t damn everyone they are exploiting.
This isn’t even about being selfless/altruistic: The vast majority of us just straight up do better when we support each other. Even if the other person doesn’t directly reciprocate, living in a society where it is the norm to help others comes around to help you at some point.
But beyond that, there just isn’t a lot of value in essentializing people like that. Very little about modern society is natural. We aren’t born knowing how to do math or drive cars, but we have the capacity to learn those things. We’ve grown through social evolution, not biological. That’s why a critical part of building socialism is raising class consciousness. We aren’t just changing the structure of society, we’re changing the people to be able to create that new structure. Just as serfs learned that they need not be subservient to their lords before they were able to self govern, we must teach people that they have the power and the right to turn over the current hierarchy and create something better.
So much word salad and none of it is relevant. Who cares if politicians and bilionaiers are extreme outliers or not? They exist. Capitalism as we have it now does not deal with them properly. But every socialist system I have ever seen concentrates power even more than capitalism. At least there is some split of interest between billionaiers, politicians, and milionaiers. Plus billionaiers are not a very cohesive groups as their interests also do not align with each other perfectly. In pretty much every socialist system I have seen proposed, all power is handed to elected politicians. And by human neture, the outliera gets elected. No magical fix for gullible voters in socialism. That is why you never have “real socialism” in history. It turns to autocracy because of how the system interacts with human nature.
Just say you hate democracy and you love boot.
Had an exchange that went like
“The workers don’t know how to run the business”
“Did the owner tell you that?”
“… shit.”
Also workers don’t have to run the business, they can elect / delegate someone to do that.
If that owners managerial skills are truly necessary for the business’ survival then they should have no problem explaining that to their fellow workers and getting elected to manage. They just won’t get all the profit…
I’ve worked for some small businesses that the owners themselves could not be trusted to run operations without fucking everything up.
Size of organizations really is an important factor. For small-medium businesses, the owner probably needs to have the skills to operate things themselves, for medium-to-large the owners skills set changes to people managment (see the Peter Principal). Then you get to the places where the CEOs job is less managing people but setting directives at the request of the board and being the cult of personality/fall-guy for the investors.
Its that last one where I get why it works that way, but its baffling how an organization gets there without someone asking if thats a bad idea.
These were auto shops with 8-15 employees, the owners had started the business when you wrote appointments on a desk calendar and there were three oil filters on the shelf, one for Chevy, one for Chrysler and one for Ford. Ask them to make an appointment or order the correct oil filter for a 2016 Kia Sedona was expecting too much.
What’s more depressing than socialist architecture? Homelessness and starvation in a land with plenty.
May I add the “owning vast media conglomerate mega-phone allowing the yacht owner to blast said explanation to the entire world” part?
No, they hate “the other” would get treated kindly like them. There are some vengeful/racist garbage that have this “out group” damning thing, which sets us all into the pain with high ass premiums and shit. They paint over their rationalization as “rugged individualism,” but it’s basically “no, <out group> doesn’t deserve the services that I should get.”
And yes, above.
The people explaining it to me: no yacht but username@lemmy.ml
Imagine your politician showing up at the Ford dealership telling you you’ve been cut off. You can’t buy another Ford F-150 King Ranch they say. You look up at the American flag and it is red with yellow stars.
I don’t hate it, I just don’t think it works
Can you elaborate?
I believe when you centralize all economic power in a government it will very likely breed corruption, nepotism and eventually fascism, making it impossible to transition to worker owned means of production.
You’re doing a meme right now. This isn’t what socialism is, textually, like, not even related.
What is it then?
Spoiler alert: you will probably describe social democracy
Do you often operate in a world where words have no meanings, and people just use them whatever? Why would I use the word that has a definition and a meaning to describe other thing that has different term for it?
Isn’t anarchism a form of socialism though? It doesn’t have to be centralised.
I don’t think a trans person from Twitter has a yacht
Caitlin Jenner has entered the chat.
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Man, Russia and China sure do have lots of socialist policies!
Oh yeah because Russia and China are totally socialist yep, yep
Russia isn’t, obviously, but China is.
There’s socialism outside of the ML USSR and China.
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That’s a lazy approach
It also doesn’t make any sense, as the ideology rather obviously influences who will get elected, if there are even elections
We’ve tried the other one so far, how do you feel it’s going?
What other one?
Have you ever thought that ideologies are the ideas of a person and that bad people have bad ideologies, ever heard of nazism or fascism? Do you think they would be awesome if the best person in the world was using them? I doubt
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Have you read too many Dr. Doom comics?
