• Red_Scare [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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      Honestly at this point I prefer a right winger who defends SS for being just like the US Army to a leftist who defends NATO for being totally not Nazis. At least you know where they stand. Is this the horseshoe I’ve been hearing about?

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    At this point they could argue that the only nazi ever was Hitler who forced every single person in Germany at gunpoint to do everything he wanted oh wait I just described Great Man theory

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    A significant number of people in the SS only supported, empowered, and enabled the murder… 🙄

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    It frustrates me to no end when people cluelessly argue that since doctors and pencil pushers and janitors are also in militaries, that somehow makes it better and or even a non-violent institution.

    The people who make the food for or distribute the salaries of imperialist scum are, by virtue of their material support, also imperialist scum.

    Based on this analogy it’s appropriate to call every member of the US and NATO militaries a Nazi.

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    “Not every civilian in the NAZI Party was a Nazi”.

    By definition, yes they were. I have to admit, I don’t think I have ever heard someone make the claim that “the nazi is actually not a nazi” before. They usually try to put a little bit more effort into it.

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      And by definition every SS soldier was a Nazi because the SS was the paramilitary branch of the actual Nazi party.

      They are making this error on purpose, because that’s the only way they can present that an SS soldier wasn’t a Nazi.

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        True, but as always, reality was even more complex.

        Initially, yes absolutely. SS members were absolutely nazis. Exceptions either became nazis very fast or had deadly accidents (being killed by their peers).

        As the overture to WW2 started playing, things got muddier. Germany aquired territories whos people were not german citizens according the bonkers laws they had, likewise non-german voluteers started showing up. The problem was that only german citizens could serve in the Wehrtmacht. Fear not, we germans are inventive! So Volksdeutsche (ethnic germans, but not german citizens) tended to get force conscripted into the SS and the SS was more than happy to receive “aryan” volunteers (brits, yanks, nordics, benelux, french).

        As the War finally started and soon went bad for germany in the USSR, Germany tried to make sense of various nationalist movements willing to fight for it and the collaborateurs. This repeated the situation mentioned above. With the exact same solution: Collaborateurs went directly to the SS. Teh nationalists posed a problem, they were not exactly “aryan”, but Indian, Bosnia, Serbian, Cossak, Russia, Chechen and so on. So the SS was effectively partitioned: The “aryan” fanatics went to the “chapter SS”(only true with occult bullshit), got the highest status. The collaborateurs and force conscripted guys were footslogger SS scrubs. Leaves the rest. They were grouped into “SS legions” and essentially cannon fodder.

        By the end of the war, the force conscription became even weirder. The education minister gifted Hitler (and thus the SS) a entire graduation year of students. Because germany is not only the country of thinkers and poets, sometimes also of stoned thinkers.

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    Wow the SS were actually like the US military? That must mean the SS were the good guys, right?!