Honestly same both from and outsider and in group way. Libertarians we’re willing to do nothing to help or worse risk others lives to virtue signal and statist saw governments fail to do anything meaningful and waffle about the best restrictions to put in place and still thought “but if my guy was in charge”.

There were people making actual differences out there, but it almost always a political.

I’m glad mutual aid gained some hype for a little bit at least.