I’m not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there’s unfortunately little choice. Not like we in Finland want to be next to Russia. But only men having to serve is an obvious equality issue.
I’m not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there’s unfortunately little choice.
There’s plenty of choice that doesn’t involve giving up your rights and become a slave to an authoritarian government. Such as voting for people who’s goal is to help people and not exploit them, or fight against and not support corrupted politicians.
Rulers and governments don’t care about people, they care about profits and wealth. Pretty much all the west is in commercial partnership with countries arming russia like china. It’s more profitable for them to keep making business with dictatorships like Emirates and building weapons rather than working toward peace and against other corrupted governments
Re read what i wrote I’ll also explain it to you again:
Politicians and rulers, the ones in charge of pretty much every government are mentally ill individuals devoured by greed and lust for power. They do not care about others if not strictly out of personal interest. They are professional liars. As you can see right now in Gaza and as you can read in any history book these corrupted mafiosi seek war and use it as a tool to gain more wealth and power. They do not want peace, if not once they have put their filthy hands all over the place and to make sure nobody challenge their authority.
The alternative to war is to strip these criminals of power and seek justice. Not making more nukes, not dumping trillions on weapons, not invading other countries, not mass surveillance, not beating protesters, not putting in jail Whistleblowers and not forcing everyone to fight for a country. Russia and Israel both have mandatory conscription, that’s one of the really reason they can do what they are doing right now.
Russians are chilling in dubai right now, next to western politician and billionares yachts. Building weapons, increasing their power and forcing everyone to be their slave is their dream, they don’t care about helping people.
I really am trying but I’m not sure what you’d want me, a Finn, to do to solve the issue of the threat of Russian aggression. I really don’t see many alternatives to us having a credible and strong defence.
Ever heard of “solidarity”? You can’t just live safe while your countrymen risk their lives to defend you. If you don’t like it, you have plenty of time to emigrate in peacetime.
If shit hits the fan, it’s too late. YOU made the choice to stay in a country where you were obligated to defend you neighbour if called upon. You can’t reap the benefits of collective protection and responsibility and then run off when it’s time to step up and do the dirty work.
I don’t see Russia, or other authoritarian countries mentioned in the thread I’m responding to. This is about conscription in a democratic country where only adults are conscripted.
Telle, what other choice do the Ukrainians have other than fighting?
The choice should be up to the people to begin with, instead their authoritarian government has decided that no man between 18-60 can leave the country. Ukrainians are not the ukrainian government.
Brainless serving in an army is not defense. People can defend themself better when they are free not when they are forced to obey corrupted rulers orders.
The step from “Denmark” to “Corrupted rulers” went a bit fast there.
You are aware that Denmark allows political parties and movements to oppose conscription, and that anyone strongly opposed can emigrate and denounce their Danish citizenship? Nobody is preventing anyone from doing those things. If you don’t do them, you are implicitly accepting the social contract in the country.
Have you ever been conscripted into a democratic army? I have been. We were very well taught which rights we have, what the rules of warfare are and when we are oblieged to disobey an order.
It’s true, a conscript has less freedom than a not conscripted citizen. But if you really believe a conscript (in a democratic army) is even remotely comparable to a chattel slave, you should try reality instead delusional ideology for a change.
This is a great step forward for equality
Real equality is the state demanding you get in that fucking trench
I’m not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there’s unfortunately little choice. Not like we in Finland want to be next to Russia. But only men having to serve is an obvious equality issue.
But don’t you think only women being the only ones in charge of giving birth to the next generation is an obvious equality issue, too?
Well, we can’t change that with legislation but we can change who gets conscripted
Sounds like something a crazy dictator would do.
What a softie. A real dictator would say something like
Average Putin moment
There’s plenty of choice that doesn’t involve giving up your rights and become a slave to an authoritarian government. Such as voting for people who’s goal is to help people and not exploit them, or fight against and not support corrupted politicians.
How does me voting for “people who’s goal is to help people and not exploit them” going to make Russia any less of a shitty and threatening neighbor?
Rulers and governments don’t care about people, they care about profits and wealth. Pretty much all the west is in commercial partnership with countries arming russia like china. It’s more profitable for them to keep making business with dictatorships like Emirates and building weapons rather than working toward peace and against other corrupted governments
I really don’t understand what you are saying or offering as an alternative here.
Re read what i wrote I’ll also explain it to you again:
Politicians and rulers, the ones in charge of pretty much every government are mentally ill individuals devoured by greed and lust for power. They do not care about others if not strictly out of personal interest. They are professional liars. As you can see right now in Gaza and as you can read in any history book these corrupted mafiosi seek war and use it as a tool to gain more wealth and power. They do not want peace, if not once they have put their filthy hands all over the place and to make sure nobody challenge their authority. The alternative to war is to strip these criminals of power and seek justice. Not making more nukes, not dumping trillions on weapons, not invading other countries, not mass surveillance, not beating protesters, not putting in jail Whistleblowers and not forcing everyone to fight for a country. Russia and Israel both have mandatory conscription, that’s one of the really reason they can do what they are doing right now. Russians are chilling in dubai right now, next to western politician and billionares yachts. Building weapons, increasing their power and forcing everyone to be their slave is their dream, they don’t care about helping people.
I really am trying but I’m not sure what you’d want me, a Finn, to do to solve the issue of the threat of Russian aggression. I really don’t see many alternatives to us having a credible and strong defence.
Ever heard of “solidarity”? You can’t just live safe while your countrymen risk their lives to defend you. If you don’t like it, you have plenty of time to emigrate in peacetime.
If shit hits the fan, it’s too late. YOU made the choice to stay in a country where you were obligated to defend you neighbour if called upon. You can’t reap the benefits of collective protection and responsibility and then run off when it’s time to step up and do the dirty work.
Yeah ever heard of solidarity? Fucking up people daily like governments and politicians do it’s the opposite of that
So if you were a 17 years old russian you would buy a one way plane ticket and leave the country?
Sound like you are putting the blame on people rather than the corrupted politician criminals responsible for all of this.
I don’t see Russia, or other authoritarian countries mentioned in the thread I’m responding to. This is about conscription in a democratic country where only adults are conscripted.
Telle, what other choice do the Ukrainians have other than fighting? Or do you mean the Denmark government as authoritarian government?
The choice should be up to the people to begin with, instead their authoritarian government has decided that no man between 18-60 can leave the country. Ukrainians are not the ukrainian government.
What a step, everyone should be a slave with no discrimination of sex
The best way to become a slave to a state is not to have a good defense. Just ask any neighbor af Russia.
Brainless serving in an army is not defense. People can defend themself better when they are free not when they are forced to obey corrupted rulers orders.
The step from “Denmark” to “Corrupted rulers” went a bit fast there.
You are aware that Denmark allows political parties and movements to oppose conscription, and that anyone strongly opposed can emigrate and denounce their Danish citizenship? Nobody is preventing anyone from doing those things. If you don’t do them, you are implicitly accepting the social contract in the country.
Yeah 17 years old about to be conscripted can just leave the country if they don’t like it, fuck them.
Have you ever been conscripted into a democratic army? I have been. We were very well taught which rights we have, what the rules of warfare are and when we are oblieged to disobey an order.
It’s true, a conscript has less freedom than a not conscripted citizen. But if you really believe a conscript (in a democratic army) is even remotely comparable to a chattel slave, you should try reality instead delusional ideology for a change.
Since you like it so much you should go ahead and try some reality in the ukrainian front, perhaps in the russian side where conscript gets send to.
Slaves are very well taught which rights they have too, when you don’t have many it’s easy to teach.