• PrimeErective@startrek.website
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      4 months ago

      What part of the second statement is wrong? A turtle cannot survive without its shell, just like you could not survive without your skull. It is an intrinsic part of what allows it to function as a living organism, therefore the line between “turtle” and “shell” is a bit blurred

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          4 months ago

          I mean yes, no one, human or turtle, can survive without the ecosystem of the earth, so you could really argue that the planet is the true organism and we are simply byproducts of its existence

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            4 months ago

            Yet you won’t argue that you are the earth. Why would you argue that a turtle is the same as a turtle’s shell then?

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          4 months ago

          You can bring extra air and survive just fine.

          You can’t bring an extra skull.

          Likewise, a hermit crab can bring an extra shell, but a turtle cannot bring an extra shell.