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The US State Department on Thursday ordered the departure of non-emergency personnel from Haiti as the security situation in the country deteriorates.

The US State Department on Thursday ordered the departure of non-emergency personnel from Haiti as the security situation in the country deteriorates.

  • benitoneumann@lemmy.world
    11·
    1 year ago

    Nothing goes without saying these days, it is worth stating the case. And Haiti does have leaders, even if the political variety are not an option at the moment. It isn’t about recognition, it is about what you do with it - none of your commentary offers any thoughts or ideas that might improve things. You’re pointing at suffering and just going “it’s kind of their fault”.

    Of course Haiti has agency, that is the point I made. They have **not ** been free of foreign control by any measure however, between direct interdiction by the US to heavy handed influence from the World Bank and others. The US kidnapped the sitting President in 1991 for goodness sakes! Your statement that it is a failed state is a facile observation - yes, but downplaying the role others have and laying it at the feet of the Haitian people is dishonest.

    For the record I absolutely agree that “shut up” is generally a poor response to any criticism, but it is warranted in this case because you are restating the known from the outside without any engagement or solution-seeking. Just saying something sucks is not only not a helpful observation, it adds to the echo chamber of hopelessness that you yourself mentioned faces the people of Haiti. So if you aren’t going to give proper context, and you aren’t going to offer up support or ideas or insight or anything, then yes, silence is the best choice.

    EDIT: Also I just can’t get over

    You’re right that the country would almost certainly be better off if the French and Spanish hadn’t colonized it in the first place. That almost goes without saying. (emphasis mine)

    The fact that you are leaving an opening for the possibility the the genocide of the Taino and the brutal kidnapping and oppression of the various African communities may be the better outcome for them after all is insane and seriously makes me question if you are even taking this seriously.

    • Cleverdawny@lemmy.world
      21·
      1 year ago

      Dude, I can’t have absolute certainty over an alternate timeline. Maybe the Taino would have given birth to a genocidal dictator who would go on to eradicate the entire planet in a nuclear holocaust. Pretty unlikely, but who knows? All any honest person can say is that it seems very likely the country and island would have been better off without the crimes of Columbus etc.

      And while Haiti has some people with the potential to become leaders, nobody has the effective ability to exert leadership over the country or a realistic pathway to gain that ability. Maybe that changes eventually. I don’t know.

      This isn’t about an echo chamber of hopelessness. This is acceptance of reality. I have talked to emigres about the issues facing Haiti. You want to pretend there’s hope? Go ahead.

      Also, I’m not sure why you are trying to pretend that the US “kidnapped” Aristede when what happened is that he fled to the US after the Haitian military ejected him from power in a coup. He was later restored to power by US intervention, in 1994, after the military ran the country halfway into the ground.