It’s a weird one, probably this is because I always try to see the bright side but I have mixed feelings. On one hand writing off just trans and queer people feels even more targeted and evil than deleting all letters.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Now we have to keep pushing to get “TQ” similarly unerasable. 💪
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
No, that’s completely wrong. They’re coming after trans people because trans people are the easiest target right now. They also intend to get rid of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, but it’s easier to focus on one group at a time and attempt to split people apart.
They did the same shit in the UK with the “LGB Alliance,” mostly straight TERFs collaborating with the Heritage Foundation and doing absolutely nothing to advance the rights of the people they claimed to be supporting, focusing entirely on attacking trans people to the point of making alliances with extreme reactionaries and anti-feminists.
Anyone using the “LGB” acronym is either a reactionary using divide and conquer tactics aiming at attacking all LGBT rights, or a useful idiot to said reactionaries. There is no plus side here.
It would have been even easier to remove this page altogether, wouldn’t it?
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but I think my point is being completely missed here. My point is not about what Trump has done which is unequivocally bad.
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far. We’ve made enough progress that to combat the “woke virus” they’re having to target first trans people specifically rather than directly removing mentions to LGBTQ+. I’m hopeful about the fact that we’ve achieved so much so far - obviously not about the fact that we’re being persecuted.
The only reason they did not remove the rest of the page is because there is still broader support for gay people.
They are planning to make trans both a mental illness and a sex crime. Separating the T out here is a step towards making that distinction.
It will be a longer and harder journey to do the same for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but they will once the project is done. But you go after easier targets first to build momentum.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Because the Nazis stopped at just Jews, right? Surely they never expanded upon that to encompass all “undesirables”, right?
I feel you’re trying to misconstrue my post by saying something I completely agree with, my post completely agrees with, and then throwing a sarcastic “oh wait”.
Of course I agree with this, which is why I say
This is a clear step back
And
We have to keep pushing
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far, which is worth celebrating, regardless of how we’re under attack. Obviously we have to achieve more - they’ll go for the rest of us after Trans people. Which wouldn’t happen if all of us make sure that trans folk are so obvious in the collective mind that erasing them becomes a ridiculous proposition.
Republicans have accepted LGBTQ people to some extent, otherwise they wouldn’t be pulling off this sort of devious shit and just removing these pages completely. That’s what is an achievement, and obviously we need to make sure we revert this and don’t keep regressing.
Doubt it. The LGB part of the equation aren’t hard for the average Joe to empathize with, they honestly would have skyrocketed in terms of acceptance years ago without the T group. The first 3 letters are just who you’re attracted to, the last letter is who you are and that’s a much bigger deal to a lot of people.
they honestly would have skyrocketed in terms of acceptance years ago without the T group
I’m gonna be honest, this seems like baseless speculation. At least by my flawed recollection, cis people barely thought about trans people at all over ten years ago. It’s taken a very well financed and concerted effort by the right to stir up as much hatred as they’ve managed to to this point.
Human Sexuality: We affirm God’s biblical design for marriage and family between one
biological man and one biological woman, which has proven to be the foundation for all great nations
in Western Civilization. We oppose homosexual marriage, regardless of state of origin. We urge the
Texas Legislature to pass religious liberty protections for individuals, businesses, and government
officials who believe marriage is between one man and one woman. We oppose the granting of special
legal entitlements or creation of special status for sexual behavior or identity, regardless of state of
origin. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose non-traditional sexual
behavior out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.
Definition of Marriage and Family: We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained,
legal, and moral covenant only between one biological man and one biological woman. Further, we
support a traditional definition of family with only one biological man in the role of father and one
biological woman in the role of mother. We are opposed to same-sex parenting, intentionally subjecting
a child to the loss of their biological father or mother, and other non-traditional definitions of family
Homosexuality: Homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice. We believe there should be no
granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless
of state of origin, and we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality
out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values. No one should be granted special legal status
based on their LGBTQ+ identification.
Except, at least to my knowledge, there’s nowhere in the Bible that says mentions gender, but a couple of parts where it’s pretty explicit about acceptable sexuality.
Doesn’t really matter though as these people can’t read to begin with.
Next up, they’re going to erase the remaining letters
I’m surprised they haven’t.
It’s a weird one, probably this is because I always try to see the bright side but I have mixed feelings. On one hand writing off just trans and queer people feels even more targeted and evil than deleting all letters.
But on the plus side, the fact that LGB haven’t been removed makes me feel slightly hopeful? This is a clear step back obviously. But it makes me feel that finally the idea that gay, lesbian, bisexual people exist and don’t need conversion therapy has actually sunk in and we can’t be erased so easily.
Now we have to keep pushing to get “TQ” similarly unerasable. 💪
No, that’s completely wrong. They’re coming after trans people because trans people are the easiest target right now. They also intend to get rid of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, but it’s easier to focus on one group at a time and attempt to split people apart.
They did the same shit in the UK with the “LGB Alliance,” mostly straight TERFs collaborating with the Heritage Foundation and doing absolutely nothing to advance the rights of the people they claimed to be supporting, focusing entirely on attacking trans people to the point of making alliances with extreme reactionaries and anti-feminists.
Anyone using the “LGB” acronym is either a reactionary using divide and conquer tactics aiming at attacking all LGBT rights, or a useful idiot to said reactionaries. There is no plus side here.
How does that old saying go?
“First they came for the transgender people, and then they stopped there.”
He’s pulled the gun, but only shot one of us so far. That’s good, right? . Right??
It would have been even easier to remove this page altogether, wouldn’t it?
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but I think my point is being completely missed here. My point is not about what Trump has done which is unequivocally bad.
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far. We’ve made enough progress that to combat the “woke virus” they’re having to target first trans people specifically rather than directly removing mentions to LGBTQ+. I’m hopeful about the fact that we’ve achieved so much so far - obviously not about the fact that we’re being persecuted.
The only reason they did not remove the rest of the page is because there is still broader support for gay people.
They are planning to make trans both a mental illness and a sex crime. Separating the T out here is a step towards making that distinction.
It will be a longer and harder journey to do the same for lesbian, gay and bisexual people, but they will once the project is done. But you go after easier targets first to build momentum.
It only means that they see the lgb as still being useful for now. There’s no love there.
Because the Nazis stopped at just Jews, right? Surely they never expanded upon that to encompass all “undesirables”, right?
Oh, wait.
I feel you’re trying to misconstrue my post by saying something I completely agree with, my post completely agrees with, and then throwing a sarcastic “oh wait”.
Of course I agree with this, which is why I say
And
My point is about what we’ve achieved so far, which is worth celebrating, regardless of how we’re under attack. Obviously we have to achieve more - they’ll go for the rest of us after Trans people. Which wouldn’t happen if all of us make sure that trans folk are so obvious in the collective mind that erasing them becomes a ridiculous proposition.
Republicans have accepted LGBTQ people to some extent, otherwise they wouldn’t be pulling off this sort of devious shit and just removing these pages completely. That’s what is an achievement, and obviously we need to make sure we revert this and don’t keep regressing.
Doubt it. The LGB part of the equation aren’t hard for the average Joe to empathize with, they honestly would have skyrocketed in terms of acceptance years ago without the T group. The first 3 letters are just who you’re attracted to, the last letter is who you are and that’s a much bigger deal to a lot of people.
I’m gonna be honest, this seems like baseless speculation. At least by my flawed recollection, cis people barely thought about trans people at all over ten years ago. It’s taken a very well financed and concerted effort by the right to stir up as much hatred as they’ve managed to to this point.
from the official 2024 Texas GOP platform: https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-RPT-Platform.pdf
Except, at least to my knowledge, there’s nowhere in the Bible that says mentions gender, but a couple of parts where it’s pretty explicit about acceptable sexuality.
Doesn’t really matter though as these people can’t read to begin with.
They’re going to ban the Bible too. This isn’t about religion, at least not to those in power.