Ok so this is likely one of my wierder experiences with the fediverse and is a bit of a story that ends with something wierd with https://piefed.social/topic/chilling/comics?sort=new&layout=list - So to sorta start this off I rarely post but had taken to posting a comic I like called devils panties to comicstrips@lemmy.world. One day when I clicked on replies to the comic I was getting 404 pages and I could not find the comic anymore. There was no notification or anything that it was removed but I checked the sidebar rules and it did not seem to break any. So I posted again and the same thing came back. I suspected that things can be removed without notice or such or just maybe something was breaking so posted to comics@lemmy.ml and that went fine. I changed to posting to comics@lemmy.ml but then noticed that the comic was being posted by someone else to comicstrips@lemmy.world. It did not show up greyed so it presumably was not a bot. I figured I would bow out as I was going to stop posting once I got a job as when working I tend to not be able to really get to anything even small like this (im not a good waker upper and I tend to be toast after work). The next day though no post was done by the other user so late before I went to bead I did the lemmy.ml post and one hour later it appeared in lemmy.world. Its been pretty consistantly one hour after. Anyway the whole thing made me feel pretty wierd but then today its sorta on another level. When perusing https://piefed.social/topic/chilling/comics?sort=new&layout=list I see the duplicates the user does to lemmy.world but I don’t see my original posts to lemmy.ml but I do see another comic posted to lemmy.ml and if I go directly to comics@lemmy.ml I see my post. Anyone have any idea whats going on???
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Some of your posts in comics@lemmy.ml were deleted by a moderator 10 days ago. https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=17651002
I’ll check if there’s more Piefed could be doing to notify people when their content is deleted.
mmm. thats wierd because its the lemmy.world that seemed to be removed while the lemmy.ml ones as far as I can tell have stayed.
That modlog entry is actually for the LW community - it’s a bit clearer here: https://lemmy.world/modlog/31408?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13663964
yeah wish I had known. Would not have reposted and just moved on right away. I had suspicions because the comic that day was about the protest the artist was going to the next day. I had a lot of explanation since the last protest related one exploded in commentary and that might have prompted the removal despite it not breaking any community rules. Its a bit annoying to see spam listed when something has only been posted once. Still now I just don’t get why the topic feed does not show what I can see on a community feed that is contained in the topic.
Feel free to report on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
meh. I always felt those were a bit about drama and just removedin. Im pretty good what I got here which is about an understanding of what was going on. The reason I like the fediverse is if you are not wild about a community you just move on to one more copacetic.
cm0002@lemmy.world is more than a little bit “much”, but they seem to mean well, overall… somewhat. And definitely not a bot, or as others mentioned not exclusively one.
You might even simply ask them if they will stop? The caveat is that this comic is not the only one this happens to.
I confirm that blocking that user will cause your own posts to show up rather than theirs. Ofc that solution would only work personally for you, not anyone else…
I note that this scenario doesn’t happen only on PieFed, but also occurs on Lemmy as well:
So this is a problem for the entire Threadiverse model, where posts go to communities and are more loosely associated with the user account.
Perhaps PieFed could prioritize combining cross-posts to keep the oldest one first? (Although that could be problematic for different reasons, e.g. a 6-month old post, reposted for visibility but therefore not showing up.)
But perhaps the more fundamental issue is not precisely which post is kept but the apparent lack of author attribution, so maybe it would help to add all the list of posters across all of the cross-posts, where a post says “submitted by…”? e.g. if it were to say “submitted xyz hours ago by cm0002@lemmy.world, original by HubertManne@piefed.social”, that would encourage artists to post more here?
Good point on author attribution, very good idea for PieFed.
On the other hand, i consider myself as a relay since we didn’t create the content.
Even so, whether the content is original or not, if doing such a thing would perhaps encourage people to post more often, then it may be worth doing?
Yes, maybe a field to credit the author and add their fediverse handle. Then the “relay” authors, us.
We could also push it by integrating licence as creative common for movie, picture…But i think there are better place for selling your content as some of these need to be under a subcription. We lack a fediverse software for selling our good, service…
PieFed is already aware and makes available the complete list of where all the cross-posts are, but if the authors of such could be listed out specifically (without needing to click to see), it may help encourage posting more often?
Mbin does this already.
Yes it do encourage people posting more, it’s important as it recognize them as part of the communicatiom/community chain.
Awesome for Mbin, i’m kinda sad that Mbin isn’t as popular as Lemmy given their features.
Also, how we handle moderation is a keypart to invite users to post more often. I think sometime we ban users too much instead of asking them to rephrase their comments or posts.
Agreed, agreed, and agreed.:-)
For the longest time there was no app for Mbin, which some people seem to deem necessary (I have no idea why? Firefox is an “app”:-). There is now Interstellar for it, but it lost momentum and not many use it (Mbin I mean, though surely even only a subset of Mbin users also use Interstellar).
I for one have no need of Mastodon, and don’t really like the web UI of Mbin (even though moving to the Threadiverse from Reddit, my first instance was Kbin.social). I much prefer PieFed:-).
If you have some time, would you be interested in writing PieFed and Mbin wiki ?
Oh thank you. Im going to try blocking. Honestly I was thinking of stopping as the combination of it all was taking out the small bit of joy I got out of it but its fine if im only seeing it as me. I just that brief bit of endorphine for my brain saying. Look there is the thing I did. Im actually ok attribution wise. I mean posting something is not really doing anything (I mean I kinda do it hoping the artist will get more traction) so its not like the act of actually creating the source so that is where attribuiton is important. Oh I will try contacting the user. I leaned on the thought it was a bot so figured that was pointless but might as well at least let them know.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so in a way they are being helpful - just as you are trying to share the OG artist’s work with a wider audience, so too cm0002@lemmy.world is doing the same, spreading the comic beyond where you posted it.
I took a look and by most metrics, the Lemmy.world community is like an order of magnitude larger than the Lemmy.ml one - e.g. 5.8k users per week in the former compared to 0.6k in the latter.
So you might consider cross-posting the comic there yourself - not that I’m pushing you to actually do so, just wanting to offer it as a thought, and to help see the potential reasoning for the actions of the other side.
I’ve blocked that user myself in the past, now unblocked but with a warning label next to their username so I can remind myself not to take their comments too seriously when they get overly argumentative. I love that PieFed allows me to have the best of both ways there: I can enjoy their posts, and even enjoy lightly interacting, without worrying about being sucked too deep into an unproductive argument.:-)
I mean that would be great if the user did it on his own. Initially I stopped posting feeling that someone maybe took up the baton. He only does it if I post though and that is annoying. So if I don’t the comic does not get shared at all but if I do it gets replicated. I stopped posting to lemmy.world due to presumably the mod for comicstrips removing the comic about the protest. I don’t feel comfortable having some of the artists works taken down arbitrarily when it did not break the rules and since the fediverse does not currently let me know in a way I can communicate with the mod I can’t get it cleared up. Basically I treat the fediverse like physical communities. That bar with the bouncer who is wierd with my favorite shirt even though it does not break dress code. Im going to the bar down the street. So im not going to that bar anymore. This is just a combination of things that cause a bad effect. I did contact the user who does the wierd copy thing and asked that they stop either proactively just posting the comic even if I don’t or not copy pasting or whatever he is doing with my posts. For now im going to wait for a response and then depending play around with posting and not posting.
Yeah the Lemmy software is somehow even more authoritian than Reddit was, as you are seeing. There’s a modlog but no modmail, no way to ask questions or appeal, especially when the modlog simply says that it was done by a “mod” - who can you DM in that case for more details? Especially in situations where the stated reason for removal is not clear - e.g. if it’s not a real one but just a cover done by a power tripping mod (or admin).
Speaking of, there is a reason that cm0002@lemmy.world goes on tirades against lemmy.ml: bc that instance in particular is extremely pro-authoritian, but in odd ways that they never straight up tell you, leaving you to discover it on your own. Btw did you see the modlog reasons given for removal of some of your content there? You are apparently a “landlord defender” - mind you, whether that is true or not is entirely beside the point, the issue is that you are labelled as a Westerner, and so you don’t fit in with the pro-Russian & pro-Chinese agenda on that instance.
You will increasingly find these issues becoming annoyances, until eventually you are banned from the entire instance outright. Or at least that’s what happens to most people.
Before that happens, you might want to switch to start posting to !comicstrips@lemmy.world yourself, rather than !comics@lemmy.ml, which for this reason, and because as I mentioned previously the former is significantly larger than the latter, and now also to mention a third reason this would also have a side benefit of taking over what cm0002@lemmy.world is currently doing, by you doing it yourself directly.
So, I hope these thoughts stimulate your thinking about what you might want to do.:-) There are definitely multiple issues involved.
well again I moved from comicstrips@lemmy.world to comics@lemmy.ml for that behavior so any move would need to be to a tertiary community.
I’m missing something: what does that user have to do with that community, besides being a fellow poster to it, just like you? If you are going to block them, then you could post to either community - do whatever you want, regardless of what they choose to do:-). Also if you did post to lemmy.world rather than lemmy.ml, I would guess that doing so would break the bot, which works to cross-post from ML to LW, not from LW to LW.
My goal here isn’t to tell you what to do, but to offer the knowledge of how to be free to do as you choose:-).
there were several seperate things. I used to post to lemmy.world until presumably a mod removed a comic about the artist going to a protest. I did not really know what was going on at the time but guessed it was being removed as it happened again when I posted again. I then posted to the second largest comic community at lemmy.ml and it stayed up. So it became my main community for the stuff. The other user may have been doing the stuff before with replicating posts although I have seen plenty of posts that are on lemmy.ml that do not get replicated to lemmy.world. So no idea whats going on there and I have yet to hear back from pinging them. Lastly I would see the doubles in the topic and then after the recent change I would only see theirs which prompted this posting of mine. So regardless comcistrips@lemmy.world is verbotem to me due to presumably the actions of a mod. I do the postings for now to comics@lemmy.ml but with the change to piefed combined with that wierd notabot automated poster user I am not sure if I want to continue. I was told that blocking them would at least let me see my posts in the topic. If I don’t hear from the user I will block them so that it does not irritate me as much.
The posts being made to the LW community aren’t being made by someone who cares about this comic. They’re not genuinely providing anything, they just have a stupid tedious beef with lemmy.ml, and so mindlessly crosspost everything they see posted to an ML community to a non-ML community. This means that if you don’t post first, the comic is unlikely to appear at all.
I mean I definately post first as it seems to key off my post and replicates it about an hour later. So it acts like a bot but it does not get greyed on my view which is supposed to do that with bots. Not sure why mine would not appear in the topic feed though while appearing in the community feed I posted to. Previously I would see the duplicates as I scrolled through the topics.
There’s a good chance that the person has automated the activity (it certainly doesn’t appear to be done with any thought), but they’re technically not a bot.
It’s a relatively new feature, but PieFed merges up crossposts that it sees into one post - whether the post you see within a topic is yours or not will depend on the sort type - there’s a ‘layers’ icon beneath relevant posts, and clicking that can get you to the other posts if the visible one isn’t the one you want.
how does it decide which to show. the latest or highest upvoted or ???
If you imagine what it would look like without the merging, the one shown would be the one nearest the top of the screen - so if you’re sorting by ‘New’, then it’ll be the newest, by ‘Top’ and it’ll be the most upvoted, by ‘Active’ then the most active. Because of how much LW dominates, it’ll pretty much always be that one.
Can I go into settings and turn off the behavior and just show duplicates again?
Nope - there’s no setting to change this behaviour.
