other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry
I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole “they’re open to dissent, just not bigotry” is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying “we allow everyone, just not trolls” and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for “trolling” saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.
It’s a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn’t really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.
If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I’ve ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don’t do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.
I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:
and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you’re doing this:
You didn’t even get banned.
Like I’ve actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it’s something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.
My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can’t quite make sense of what shows in their “instances” page, but I’m not in “allowed.” Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.
Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/art@hexbear.net – I am subscribed, but it hasn’t updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it. That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?
weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what’s going on there, it definitely looks like you aren’t getting posts.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it.
All 80+ mil people who didn’t vote aren’t on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn’t why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
I know they recently voted to switch to allowlist, I have no visibility if they were blocked in the past either way they are on the allow list now and not blocked, not sure what else could be going wrong.
No, I mean ponder.cat was not on the allowlist earlier today. Check archive.org (I mean, you’ll have to trust me that what’s there from the 5th is also how it looked earlier today, but it was.)
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick
I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn’t received after the defederation:
i am wishing death and suffering upon you. I hope your life gets materially worse. I hope you get leprosy. I hope you get stabbed. I hope you get long covid. I hope you hang for your collaborationist ways and I hope the hangman fucks up so it’s painful
you get to climb to the top of a very tall building and yeet yourself into the void
Death threat
You’re free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.
Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
You’re doing a lot of excuses for how someone could “feel like” one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you’ve done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of “dunking.” You’ve done the same thing here.
I see you’ve learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.
Like I say: Waste of time. I’m not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.
Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
Yeah, y’all sound super productive. I can’t wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you’re in store for. So far, you’re killing it.
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick
Guilty
For what it’s worth I apologize for that, death threats are uncalled for no matter how much trolling someone is doing.
to quote one of the other users in that thread:
Crybully type shit. You’re being dunked on for being horrendously right wing with the unearned smugness of thinking you yourself are “left wing”. “Negotiating” with power the way you ask of us here is simply the privilege of not being the next target, or imagining you aren’t.
My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe
You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish
Yeah, y’all sound super productive.
Didn’t you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎
I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole “they’re open to dissent, just not bigotry” is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying “we allow everyone, just not trolls” and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for “trolling” saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.
It’s a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn’t really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.
If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I’ve ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don’t do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.
I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:
and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you’re doing this:
You didn’t even get banned.
Like I’ve actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it’s something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.
My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can’t quite make sense of what shows in their “instances” page, but I’m not in “allowed.” Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.
Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/art@hexbear.net – I am subscribed, but it hasn’t updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it. That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?
weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what’s going on there, it definitely looks like you aren’t getting posts.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
All 80+ mil people who didn’t vote aren’t on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn’t why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
I thought hexbear used an allowlist rather than a blocklist, but could be wrong about that.
I know they recently voted to switch to allowlist, I have no visibility if they were blocked in the past either way they are on the allow list now and not blocked, not sure what else could be going wrong.
That just changed earlier today.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250402213112/https://hexbear.net/instances
Why it is they decided to silently un-defederate me after our conversation happened, I have no idea at all.
They took this poll 2 months ago and made the decision based on that, I don’t think they’re making decisions based on us talking now
https://hexbear.net/post/4473019
No, I mean ponder.cat was not on the allowlist earlier today. Check archive.org (I mean, you’ll have to trust me that what’s there from the 5th is also how it looked earlier today, but it was.)
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn’t received after the defederation:
You’re free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (
2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.
You’re doing a lot of excuses for how someone could “feel like” one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you’ve done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of “dunking.” You’ve done the same thing here.
I see you’ve learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.
Like I say: Waste of time. I’m not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.
Yeah, y’all sound super productive. I can’t wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you’re in store for. So far, you’re killing it.
Guilty
For what it’s worth I apologize for that, death threats are uncalled for no matter how much trolling someone is doing.
to quote one of the other users in that thread:
You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish
Didn’t you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎