Added context is mine. Its like he wants the SNP to take over Holyrood next year. Not doing his little Englander image any good in Scotland with comments like this, just another colonialist
refusal to grant a referendum while also striking down any devolved laws they don’t like? that’s not a union that’s colonisation.
non-brit here. i watched a season of Bakeoff where one of the contestants mentioned being a unionist while making a patriotic cake or something like that. from the outside it is utterly fucking weird to have someone’s political stance be “Everything Is Fine Like This, You Are Actually Happy Where You Are, Do Not Consider Leaving”
What is it that you find strange exactly?
No PM is really going to want to agree to one. It’s going to take a lot of pressuring and strong SNP showings in both parliaments to get to a stage where a PM considers it.
Yes, understandable, but he could have not answered too
The most annoying thing politicians do is not answering the question.
Why would there be one anytime soon?
Brexit invalidated the results because many voted for the sole purpose of staying in the EU, public support is now at a majority, and Reform getting in would raise support significantly.
I dunno, maybe people in Scotland keep electing pro indy majorities or some other antidemocratic guff. Holyrood is going to the polls next year
Yet the people of Scotland said no in the referendum not so long ago. If it was anything like the Brexit referendum I’m surprised anyone would want to go through that again.
On a somewhat false premise, to put it mildly, considering it was held prior to the brexit referendum (which suddenly became binding).
I’m not even British, and I’m painfully aware that the difficulty of (re)obtaining EU membership was one of the “no” arguments during the independence referendum. The fact that the rest of the country turned around and voted to leave the EU against Scottish wishes just 2 years later should at least be grounds for a second referendum, if that’s what the Scottish people want.
The fact that the rest of the country turned around and voted to leave the EU
Just to be clear, 51% of the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU in what was sold as a ‘non-binding referendum’. Fucking morons. The fucking corrupt tory pricks in charge decided that 51% of voters was enough to call it a majority, and removed us from the best trade agreement we will ever have had with the European Economic Union.
It was one of the arguments, but I don’t think it was anything binding to trigger a second referendum.
The Scottish people wanting a referendum or not. Is the only matter of any importance to the issue.
That’s a bold word to use, considering Scotland got started on colonialism before England did, and the Scotch were the most vigorously committed members of the colonial service and military.
Scotch is a drink.
Well, if anyone would know, it’s you.
Why not just call my mum names while you’re at it.
Was she also named after a chain of off-licences?
Scotch is a bold word to use when trying to take the moral high ground, you xenophobe.
Can you provide a source for your claim of being the most vigorously committed members or are you just talking out your arse?
The first English overseas expansion occurred as early as 1169, when the Norman invasion of Ireland began to establish English possessions in Ireland, with thousands of English and Welsh settlers arriving in Ireland.[3] As a result of this the Lordship of Ireland was claimed for centuries by the English monarch
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_overseas_possessions
Scotland’s colonialism began in the 1600s, quite a bit later than the 1100s…
Chaps like Henry Dundas (literally put upon a pedestal, and former head of the EIC) made a vast amount of wealth that was used to build Scottish cities, found its banks and institutions. Scotland was obsessed with education, and what the educated did was they got work administering colonial affairs. And of course, the very enthusiastic colonisation of Ireland.
So literally nothing that the English and Welsh didn’t also do. We were all bastards.
Olap’s mention of Starmer being a colonialist is because he is outright denying the chance of a democratic process, regardless of what the Scottish electorate desire, like a colonialist would do. Not to mention his support for Israel, a true modern colonial power.
Maybe think next time before you go running to defend an antidemocratic genocide supporter and keep your bigotry to yourself.
Not to mention his support for Israel,
What support?
We stopped weapons sales and condemned them, have called for a two-state solution, and their leader is calling Starmer an anti-Semite.
That is a very recent change, his stance until just a few weeks ago has been very pro-Israel. Even now, his stance is the weakest form of condemnation possible, from an ex human rights lawyer, for what is an atrocity on par with the likes of the holocaust and holodomor.
This documentary gives more information about Starmer’s faction in Labour’s weaponisation of “antisemitism”:
Other related information:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/25214288.keir-starmer-confronted-uk-claim-no-genocide-gaza/
I presume therefore as such a passionate advocate for democracy that, if Scotland became independent, you would support a decennial referendum on joining the UK? Or is only the “right” result worthy of being deemed a democratic process?
Didnae say we weren’t. Wouldn’t use that word to describe us today. Unlike Starmer
Why do Scot’s say didnae but not wouldnae?
As ye wudnae sae didnae tae yer ma, did ye?
Yo no hablo Scots, señor.
Was that before the union?
It fairly directly caused the union
Thankfully his days as prime minister are numbered.
Do you think Farage would be more amenable?
Yeah nah. Anything to keep Scotland from joining the EU I bet.
What’s the likelihood of Scotland being allowed EU membership though?
The hard part would be imposing a customs border between it and the rUK (they’re economically tightly integrated). Beyond that, there’s no queue, so they wouldn’t be waiting behind Azerbaijan or something, and their institutions either already meet EU standards or are close to doing so.
The hard part would be preventing Spain from using its veto. The customs border would be merely nearly impossible.
I suppose so! I guess the big issues would be the deficit (and the exact methodology accepted to calculate this, timelines to resolve, etc), and the possibility of a veto by another member state not wishing to encourage the splitting up of larger nations.
I know that Spain have previously said they won’t block, provided a vote of independence is constitutional, but that would also rely on UK Gov. recognising it, I guess?
The cards are up in the air. Reach out, you might catch an ace.
This is true. You don’t find out if you don’t try!
Probably very low. They aren’t even close to meeting the entry criteria.
Are they not? I’ve read various things stating that they almost already meet most requirements (being ex. EU anyway).
Farage will do whatever his paymaster says and that usually is cause chaos and disunity. I’d imagine Farage (if he gets into power) will call one , but with 2-3 years campaigning for maximum effect. Russia wont care who wins/loses as long as there is disunity.
Farage will do whatever his paymaster says
And that will not be run the nation. At best (as far as leading), he will form a coalition with the Tories his paymasters trust/ Or back out of most seats come the election.
His paymasters want exactly what they have wqith the current right wing labour. Maybe more so.
Obviously not. But that’s not how PMs are chosen outside of election time. If Starmer is replaced as Labour leader, that person will likely become PM.
"Once in a lifetime. " SNP - This matter should have been settled for 50-100 years.
But Russias money is so good and its so easy to blame someone else.
Write the whole quote not just the bit you like.
Sorry , I was wrong with ‘once in a lifetime’ the exact language used was ‘once in a generation’
“The debate we are engaged in as a nation is about the future of all of us lucky enough to live in this diverse and vibrant country. It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way.” Alex Salmond.
“It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity." Scottish Government White Paper.
Did they have their fingers crossed behind their back when they said these things?
Having a once-on-a-lifetime holiday doesn’t preclude you from having another holiday on the chance it’s another once-in-a-lifetime holiday.
And “opportunity” adds a whole bunch of context. Support was high for independence, a government was in power that was (and still is) popular and progressive, and the UK government agreed to respect the result. That, to me, is what “opportunity” means: the time is right.
If there is another surge of support, another Scottish government is elected on the premise of independence and delivers such a crushing victory as the SNP did, then it’s just down to the UK government denying the Scottish Government.
