That’s only if you look at a single election in isolation.
However, when you consider that it is state government that decide things like how many polling locations to have and where to put them, whether mail-on ballots are supported, voter ID requirements, etc. your statement becomes less accurate.
Can you gerrymander a Presidential election? No. Can gerrymandering lead directly to a change in future presidential election outcomes? Resoundingly yes
So i take it you have numbers of exactly how many black people versus white people voted in the presidential election? That would indicate gerrymandering having an effect. If not, then i cant really take it seriously.
I should clarify that i take the issue seriously, which is why i really dislike posts like this OP where they make dishonest or misguided claims that only fuels the opposition.
I’m not sure why I need to provide that information for the most recent election? Nothing I said is controversial or logically disputable
I don’t give a shit about op in this context. I am responding to a claim that gerrymandering cannot change a Presidential election result and that is simply a demonstrably false statement. Whether it did or did not impact one specific election is irrelevant
And yet i made it illogical by presenting a question about the data. Without the data on the percentage of voters who actually managed to vote, according to race, you don’t have anything to back the claim. Doesn’t matter if you think it’s controversial or not. It is logically disputable.
I’m not going to educate you on how gerrymandering has direct downstream consequences on presidential election results.
It is so, so easy to find the information on that. Like, one Google search. Including data. I’m not going do your work for you. And I’m not going to play into the “if you don’t give me literally everything then your whole argument is null” fallacy.
How could you possibly dispute that state legislatures historically disenfranchise large populations of voters by targeting specific demographics? That this has reprecussions for presidential elections? And that gerrymandering is a major component of capturing state legislatures and governorships?
My unwillingness to spoon feed you data is not proof of its absence. You are free to disregard arguments because you’re too lazy to look it up, but it just makes you look like a petulant child 🤷♀️
Your myopic view of the impact of gerrymandering (looking only at whether presidential elections involve districts or not) is simple-minded and ignorant.
I have seen the proof. I’m just not willing to do research for a random internet troll who’s too lazy to do a simple search on their own. I have more important things to do with my time.
You’re literally the only one here making decisions without data. 🤷♀️
Muting you now. You’re too childish for me to engage with anymore 👋
how to tell someone hasn’t gone to school lol. Learn to read loser. Here’s the Wikipedia link but I doubt you’ll be bothered to read it. Gerrymandering has been a fact of life in the U.S. for a long time.
That’s only if you look at a single election in isolation.
However, when you consider that it is state government that decide things like how many polling locations to have and where to put them, whether mail-on ballots are supported, voter ID requirements, etc. your statement becomes less accurate.
Can you gerrymander a Presidential election? No. Can gerrymandering lead directly to a change in future presidential election outcomes? Resoundingly yes
So i take it you have numbers of exactly how many black people versus white people voted in the presidential election? That would indicate gerrymandering having an effect. If not, then i cant really take it seriously.
I should clarify that i take the issue seriously, which is why i really dislike posts like this OP where they make dishonest or misguided claims that only fuels the opposition.
I’m not sure why I need to provide that information for the most recent election? Nothing I said is controversial or logically disputable
I don’t give a shit about op in this context. I am responding to a claim that gerrymandering cannot change a Presidential election result and that is simply a demonstrably false statement. Whether it did or did not impact one specific election is irrelevant
And yet i made it illogical by presenting a question about the data. Without the data on the percentage of voters who actually managed to vote, according to race, you don’t have anything to back the claim. Doesn’t matter if you think it’s controversial or not. It is logically disputable.
I’m not going to educate you on how gerrymandering has direct downstream consequences on presidential election results.
It is so, so easy to find the information on that. Like, one Google search. Including data. I’m not going do your work for you. And I’m not going to play into the “if you don’t give me literally everything then your whole argument is null” fallacy.
How could you possibly dispute that state legislatures historically disenfranchise large populations of voters by targeting specific demographics? That this has reprecussions for presidential elections? And that gerrymandering is a major component of capturing state legislatures and governorships?
Stop trolling.
Ok, so no data then. Just your feeling.
Stop spreading shitty information.
My unwillingness to spoon feed you data is not proof of its absence. You are free to disregard arguments because you’re too lazy to look it up, but it just makes you look like a petulant child 🤷♀️
The fact that you seem to believe that gerrymandering affects presidential elections without proof makes you seem like a poor judge of character.
Your myopic view of the impact of gerrymandering (looking only at whether presidential elections involve districts or not) is simple-minded and ignorant.
I have seen the proof. I’m just not willing to do research for a random internet troll who’s too lazy to do a simple search on their own. I have more important things to do with my time.
You’re literally the only one here making decisions without data. 🤷♀️
Muting you now. You’re too childish for me to engage with anymore 👋
how to tell someone hasn’t gone to school lol. Learn to read loser. Here’s the Wikipedia link but I doubt you’ll be bothered to read it. Gerrymandering has been a fact of life in the U.S. for a long time.
Talk about reading comprehension.
OP talks about the presidential election. Gerrymandering doesn’t affect the presidential election, since you win by popular vote in the entire state.
At no point have i said that gerrymandering doesn’t exist or doesn’t happen. Now go touch grass.