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This is dumb, botanically tomatoes are a fruit doesn’t preclude them being vegetables because vegetable isn’t a botanical term at all. Tomatoes are fairly sweet but they have more culinarily in common with vegetables. Nutritionally I’m not positive but it’s a separate issue.
Regardless the supreme court decision was regarding tariffs/imports/customs which makes sense to classify it simply by the way in which people consume it. People eat tomatoes as a vegetable, just like we eat zucchini and cucumber as vegetables despite them all also being fruit.
Obviously fruit/vegetable should be broken down into whether or not you can just make a sauce with it.
Tomatoes: easily broken0 down into a sauce Apples: guess what? saucable
Zucchini: not easily sauced. Cucumber: don’t even think about it!
Hilarious but we’re gonna end up with a few weird things like jackfruit and bananas becoming vegetables. I’d also add that apples are only sauceable through maceration which really puts them into the same camp as squash like zucchini, and any root really like carrots or celeriac.
Now I really want to try making a zucchini-cucumbersauce
Pretty sure it’s so giving ketchup to school kids constitutes a serving of vegetables.
No that was 90 years later as school budgets were cut further and further until they were using things like pickle relish as a required vegetable. Our public school system is an embarrassment.
From Mr. Lovenstein whose website unfortunately doesn’t seem to work, except to redirect you to Meta-owned socials. Ugh.
Aren’t strawberries nuts?
Yeah man, they’re completely nuts!
Not unique because EU also classifies tomatoes as vegetables.
Is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
The classification of fruit and vegetables can be based
on various approaches — botanical, agronomical,
culinary — thus resulting in different definitions. For
example, the tomato is botanically a fruit, but it is
commonly considered a vegetable from both the
agronomical and the culinary points of view.
The facts and figures presented in this briefing follow
Eurostat’s definitions based on the farm management
and agronomical practices, according to which the
term ‘fresh vegetable’ refers to annual (or, rarely,
biennial) horticultural crops, and the term ‘fruit’ refers
to perennial crops.
Following this approach, tomatoes are included in the
main statistical aggregate of vegetables, as well as
melons, water melons and strawberries, which are
commonly considered and consumed as fruit.https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2019/635563/EPRS_BRI(2019)635563_EN.pdf
And we laughed when some pope declared the capybara is a fish
When… what? 😂
Capybara are fish, so are bees, because fish don’t actually exist.
The levels of validity may vary, but everything I said there is true in one form or another.
That only creates more questions 😅
So tomatoes are trans?
Pizza is a salad according to your legal system
That’s a wrap.
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The Supreme Court was fully aware of the technical term:
Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit of a vine, just as are cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas. But in the common language of the people, whether sellers or consumers of provisions, all these are vegetables which are grown in kitchen gardens, and which, whether eaten cooked or raw, are, like potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, beets, cauliflower, cabbage, celery, and lettuce, usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats which constitute the principal part of the repast, and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.
The attempt to class tomatoes as fruit is not unlike a recent attempt to class beans as seeds, of which Mr. Justice Bradley, speaking for this Court, said:
“We do not see why they should be classified as seeds any more than walnuts should be so classified. Both are seeds, in the language of botany or natural history, but not in commerce nor in common parlance. On the other hand, in speaking generally of provisions, beans may well be included under the term ‘vegetables.’ As an article of food on our tables, whether baked or boiled, or forming the basis of soup, they are used as a vegetable, as well when ripe as when green. This is the principal use to which they are put. Beyond the common knowledge which we have on this subject, very little evidence is necessary or can be produced.”
Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893)
So this is how the Supreme Court could do this: they were fully aware but reasonably decided tariff laws should be based on ordinary meaning.
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“There is nothing more American than shooting a man in this Walmart of a world.”
wow whoever made this post is SO smart
Ketchup lobby in full swing
Vibe judging.
Okay, but the ruling is totally sensible inasmuch as it applies to “purposes of tariffs, imports and customs”. Tomatoes by and large aren’t being imported for their botanical value; they’re being used for food. This ruling exists so corporations can’t “um ackshually” their way out of paying their fair share.
But that’s too sensible; in reality, this unanimous ruling that I never bothered to spend five seconds researching independently (I am very intellectually superior) was just “le Americans uneducated ecksdee”.
(And before you point it out: yes, an “um ackshually” definition of vegetables includes fruits, although this is using a culinary one. So indeed, the original post can’t even pedant right.)
Edit: to totally gild the lily, imagine your country adds a tax to crab meat because overfishing for a luxury good is destroying the Earth’s oceans. Someone sells Alaskan king crab, and they go to the courts demanding their taxes back because “um, ackshually, crabs are infraorder Brachyura, but king crabs are nested cladistically inside the hermit crab superfamily”. You would hope the court would tell them to get lost, because for the environmental impact and culinary uses that the bill is targeting, it’s a crab.
‘Fruit de la mere’ is obviously just some attempted tax dodge.
Assuming you were aiming for the French phrase for ‘seafood’, I think you meant ‘fruit de mer.’
‘Fruit de la mère’ would translate to, ‘fruit of the mother.’
Fruit de la merde
Or maybe dodging the no meat Friday of the Catholic Church. ?
Fruit the botanical term and fruit the culinary term are just not the same word. Similarly to how theory means something different in science and in colloquial speech. That’s just how language works.
More people ought to learn about the programming language concept of namespaces. Generalize from that and you realize that every domain of discourse has its own namespace of words that have different meanings from those same words outside the domain.
My favourite is math which has loads of wonderfully generic-sounding terms such as rational, irrational, radical, real, imaginary, complex, group, ring, field, category, set, operator, element, and unit which all have radically different meanings from the everyday senses of those words.
I like this.
Kids are already taught to look for “context clues”
Namespacing would require the author explicitly define the namespace.
I would also add versioning as a year/month and localization.
Yes, but then where would we be without all those endless squabbles about X which are easily solved by pointing out that A::X != B::X?
We’d all be sitting on the back porch, enjoying an ice cold ginger beer at the end of long summer day!
I always thought it was more like overloading, but namespaces are also a good analogy.
Botanically, there’s no such thing as a vegetable.
That’s a culinary term, which seems to cover some fruits, some plant roots, some plant stems, some plant leaves, and some plant flowers.While culinary fruits are the other botanical fruits, and a few flowers (figs are weird)
The legal decision is important for a slew of reasons including taxation, SNAP benefits, etc. The decision was less about science and more about the reality of how tomatoes are used in our society.
… Cool? I was more pointing out the issues with the assumptions the meme was making
So was I.
Consider that in German (and probably a ton of other languages too), there are just two different words for the botanical and the culinary definition of fruit, so you can have namespacing built in to the language
Now I get why some (a ?) states declared pizza a veggie or something like that? Like if vegetable is a culinary term it makes sense you could classify pizza as a vegetable. But like, why the fuck is law declaring what anything is culinary?
To get around legal requirements to include vegetables in school lunches
Speculating here, but taxes are one reason.
Almost all the rules about what counts as wine, beer, whiskey, etc. comes from some country making definitions for tax purposes. Often from hundreds of years ago.
I’ve also heard of cannabinoid soft drinks available in states that have (compared to states that legalized it) pretty strict cannabis laws in place. All because of some loopholes (I’ve read about the farmer bills and all but my terminology is rusty). That’s so strange.
And suddenly its all OK. At least legally. I think its sad. At the moment, eating healthy is becoming harder and harder for the first time in my life. I get why so many Americans eat the way they do, financially. And ethics and morals don’t mean anything if its choosing between eating or not. Just so sad.
These laws don’t seem to help the average struggling American at all. With an president promoting his love for cheeseburgers lol.
I guess I feel blessed to eat fresh non processed food 6 times a week.
The loopholes on the farm bill are so big that I don’t know why we’re debating legalization at this point.
To meet the 2018 farm bill requirements, your thing needs to have <0.3% delta-9 THC by weight. This opened up the delta-8 market–less potent but you can just add more of it–but that was only the start of exploring the new legal territory this opened up.
10mg of THC delta-9 is considered a good sized dose in edible products. A standard can of soda is about 225 grams. So do the math: 0.01g / 225g = 0.004%. Close to two orders of magnitude under the farm bill limit, and a lot of THC seltzers come in bigger cans than that. You can sell that in every state that hasn’t specifically banned it otherwise.
It gets even better. To get 10mg of THC delta-9, a gummy only needs to be about 3g to make the 0.3% limit. Not that big at all.
That mostly leaves smoking/vaping as the only methods that don’t have an easy loophole.
Just legalize it already. This is stupid.
Because those culinary definitions are used for other laws, e.g. laws about what food schools can give to children.
