You know, this is some shit that I expect when dealing with some shady asshole on ebay, but LMG?
Bro… Are you ok?
I always wondered if Linus was actually a slimy POS, but this Billet Labs situation has cemented it for me. If you haven’t watched the Gamers Nexus followup video, definitely watch it.
Damn this is really sad to see for the longest time LMG was one of the few companies I actually liked and trusted
The channel was much better when they were in the house and the backups were stored on a toilet.
Must nice to have all that time to care about YouTuber drama
Yeah, that’s not what this is. I’m relatively uninvolved, but after going through a few videos on this, they’re calling out ltt and lmg because they’re actively harming a small start-up and fairly directly misinforming consumers. Now that they’re branding themselves as professional tech reviewers instead of entertainers, the bar is a lot higher and it seems that they are NOT clearing it.
I think the parent commenter just wants to feel like they’re better than you.
Look, I can’t say that I don’t understand the sentiment, but people calling YouTubers out on their bullshit is strictly better than ‘Nobody ever cares about anything outside of their 60 hour a week jobs that they work to pay for an overinflated cost of living in this hypercapitalist dystopia hellscape that they don’t have the emotional capacity to care about because of said 60 hour a week jobs.’
I want to hear about this because it means somebody still cares, somebody is still paying attention to the injustice, however trivial or removed from daily life it is.
We get it, you don’t know who LTT is or their relevance. You can ask directly if you want to learn.
It’s not just “YouTuber drama” though; LTT have positioned themselves as The Grand Knowledge on all things tech, so a good number of people turn to them for recommendations. And their recommendations are questionable.
Grand knowledge? I’ve never seen a single one of their videos that told me anything I didn’t already know about a tech item.
Mostly they make super edgelord cringe thumbnails and generally just have an idiots approach to the work they do by breaking things (the famous iMac Pro incident) or approaching things with the grace of a baby elephant.
He’s the computer guy for the 14 year old. It’s wild that the internet looks to them for anything other than shitty low effort product reviews and yammering on about whatever to fill up podcasts.
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Honestly I could care less if it was just YouTuber drama. The reason I care and the reason it makes me so angry is because Billet labs is just a couple of guys trying to make a product. They aren’t some big company or anything like that, it’s just a couple guys working on a passion project. But then Mr Big money YouTube star does literally everything wrong, doesn’t even bother to use the product properly, and proceeds to take a giant dump all over Billet labs.
Yeah, I’m going to be a little pissed off about that. Not because I care about some whiny removed on YouTube but because I feel for the poor guys who got dragged through the mud and our potentially going to take a massive hit in their business once they finalize their product.
I am not defending LTT. They are innthe wrong.
But they sent a unfinished product to one of the most influencial tech youtubers, say that a couple of times and you realize it was naive.
There is many people working on prototypes right now that we do not know off. Because they are prototypes, not products. They played and got burnt. Again, LTT did wrong with them still.LTT have made tons of videos with prototype CPUs, GPUs, and preproduction versions of pretty much any other hardware one can imagine. I don’t think it’s naive to send such a reviewer that kind of hardware.
What LTT has done though in this case, with the making of the video, misplacing the GPU, selling the prototype, then the attempts at coverup and shifting blame… is beyond pathetic.
Maybe I came to the channel late, after it’s prime, but I have never seen the value of LTT & affiliates.
The review videos have seemed sub par when cross checking against multiple reviewers.
The entertainment videos felt cringey even when they covered a subject I was interested in (PlayStation dev kits, other obscure tech)
It was a quick unsubscribe when I felt my time was getting wasted.
I’m with you here. That channel and Linus have always just seemed like clickbait clowns to me, felt scummy
Checkpoint: have you unsubbed? Unsub LTT now.
There’s plenty of good, honest content out there.
Late to the news but I’m not entirely surprised. As messed up as the situation may seem, I like to remind it’s in everyone’s best interest not to jump on the outrage/cancel train. I do not have any loyalties and find the best way to judge anything is to listen to various outlets prior to constructing my own opinions. LMG f’d up in this instance but that’s not to say that their other content has no value. All these different YouTube channels work in an ecosystem of checks and balances and we need all of them to stick around to provide different perspectives. It is up to the viewers to think for themselves and don’t let the echo chambers of social media cloud your judgement. Whether it’s politics or tech reviews, let’s avoid extremism as nothing is ever black or white.
I’m not really sure how this situation makes linus a “slimey piece of shit”. Incompetent, maybe. Bad at management, sure. Linus probably had no hand in any part until the part where he was told they fucked up. I don’t think there was malice in any part of the exchange, just incompetence.
I find his on-air comments on the prototype that he literally was unwilling to test on the card it was designed for pretty slimy. But if that’s not enough for you, how about the way Madison Suop was treated?
I think his comments about the retesting were poorly thought out but not egregious in my opinion.
I’m not talking about the madison situation, which is pretty bad if true and definitely makes him seem like a bad person if he knew about it.
I mean, they sent him a specific card to use it on and he decided to just not do that and instead be as harsh as he could about the fact that he couldn’t get it together to figure out how to mount the thing properly. That tone he gets in his voice when he starts trashing it? That’s cruelty. That’s anger. He’s trying to hurt them and he’s doing it on purpose because he’s a manipulative and emotionally abusive person, and it’s easier to lash out than accept his own mistake.
I’ve dealt with too much of that shit in my own life not to call it out when I get a whiff. Make no mistake, this guy is a mean-spirited, cruel, and callous person.
I think it’s quite a leap from one thing to say he’s “manipulative and emotionally abusive”. I think he was trashing it with disregard for their feelings but not with the intent of hurting their feelings. Plus, I don’t think he actually wrote the script for that video, no? It could be possible that it was just incompetence and a lack of care/unwillingness to spend the extra time for something that in his opinion was worthless anyway. He probably sees hundreds items from other (usually much larger) companies come and go that aren’t so easily effected by a few months delay on an item being returned, a bit of bad press from a YouTuber or a missing sample. What is easier to believe: that Linus lost sight of what’s important in persuit of his own goals and didn’t stop to think about how it might effect companies smaller than his - or that he is secretly emotionally abusive and carefully calculated an attack on this specific company for having the gall to send him a prototype?
Mate, you should never think an online influencer/store is on your side. They’re not.
Not even Steve from Gamer’s Nexus is your friend.
Can you still practice safe exchange with them? Yes, just be informed of your rights.
Edit/addition: Didn’t check the link. Thought this was about the last drama.
This addresses new issues, and it’s important to solve those issues.
I feel like when Linus was still CEO, he made too many choices too fast, and that’s caused the situation LMG is in now.
They have to rush content to get bills paid in time.
An extremely impulsive CEO is never good.
At least with Steve I get the general impression he genuinely cares about people and what he does. He also seems like a genuinely nice person
Whereas for Linus, it has felt for a while that he is basically just a business person who does this because it’s profitable (I think he used to care though).
Oh and it seems this is not all of it, an ex-employee came out on twitter about sexual harassment, extremely bad work conditions and so much more.
The timing of it is weird to say at least but there’s a lot.But yet… Emily (Formerly Anthony) came out as trans, and… Everyone was cool with it and endorsed it. So… What’s actually true?
We need more maturation of these stories.
Please don’t deadname trans people, folks can figure out from context if you just say “Emily from LTT came out as trans”.
I can’t expect everyone to know who that is. Especially here where people tend to avoid Twitter which was their platform of choice to reveal to the wider internet. And Emily hasn’t been on any LTT videos since transitioning, so I don’t exactly know how people would get context without what I said.
I don’t mean to stir up anything, this is entirely respectful (remove this if it isn’t, no worries), but it is useful for someone who knew who someone named “Anthony” was, despite the fact that they don’t exist anymore. I guess it doesn’t matter, but I immediately was able to understand who they were talking about since I didn’t know she had transitioned. Is there a better way to approach providing this context?
There’s a million different ways, most trans people don’t immediately change their last name so you can use that. Or you can refer to something that Emily did to provide context. I’m sure if you stop and think about it, you can figure out a few more ways too.
At the end of the day it’s not about making it easier for you to understand what’s going on at the expense of disrespecting her. She’s asking for you to use her name, so stop calling her something else.
You know people can harass women or be dicks to their coworkers/subordinates and not be transphobic, right? Also, as of 2022, about 65 people work at Linus tech tips. Saying “Everyone was cool with it and endorsed it” is a bit of a broad statement to make.
The fact that these allegations come in quick succession is rather logical, I’d say. It’s much harder to come out against someone who is a generally beloved public figure, so when the allegations finally start, many people see their chance to have their voice be taken seriously.
It’s been repeatedly proven that large companies get a impenetrable wall of armour based on fear of speaking out due to fear of retribution or breaking an important connection. Once that wall is broken it allows grievances to finally pass though.
Wait they sent a 3090 too? Why Linus tried it with a different GPU then?
Because they lost the GPU, I kid you not.
Because they’re a disorganized clusterfuck and he couldn’t be bothered to slightly delay filming to get the proper card. Because for whatever reason they’ve decided they must churn out content at such a high pace that everything they do is like this now.
Honestly the only videos from the last year where I remember things not being totally jank were videos with Emily, but she’s barely been in anything since coming out a few months ago.
Because he’s a fucking cunt. Always has been. No screwdriver on the face of the earth is worth $70 and no backpack is worth $250, but if it was it should have a goddamn warranty.
There’s a video of them reviewing email clients of all things and they shit on outlook for companies… Anyone who’s ever used outlook vs Gmail in a corporate environment knows that outlook destroys the competition because rules > tags.
Nothing they do is rooted in reality.
Hoodies should not be $100 unless they also come with a hooker who gives great head.
Fuck LTT.
No screwdriver on the face of the earth is worth $70 and no backpack is worth $250
I don’t own either of these products from them, but let me tell you, that is wrong.
I own a 200€ backpack from Samsonite and it fucking rocks, it’s a different league from Amazon crap.
Also, sports gear exists, including backpacks.Yeah my dad got a macpac for a couple hundy well before I was born and is still using it daily some 30 years later - sometimes quality shit is more expensive!
lol yeah my camera bag is over $300. A good camera hiking bag is most definitely worth the money.
I’ve been seeing this news article circling around the internet all day, and I have yet to see anyone mention what the monoblock actually is. It’s starting to feel like some kind of mysterious primal artifact, like maybe the master computer from which all flavors of Linux originated.
That block is the internet, Jen. It’s incredibly important that you protect it or the elders will be irate
It is a water cooling block designed for a specific graphics card. It is a new type of design and Billet Labs sent their best prototype (as in, the only one they had) to LMG for review. Linus proceeded to strap it to a video card where it didn’t fit, so bad that there was a 1mm gap (which might as well be a million miles when you’re talking about cooling). Of course the performance sucked due to it being strapped to a card it wasn’t designed to fit, linus trashed the block and the company.
And here’s the part that just fucks me off. Billet Labs SENT THEM THE CORRECT CARD WITH THE BLOCK! There is literally no valid excuse for putting it on the wrong card, Billet Labs sent them the correct one!!!
And the thing that a lot of people aren’t understanding is the Billet Labs is not some large corporation, it is two guys putting hard work into a product. Unless I’m mistaken, they have regular ass jobs. People talking about them being able to sue… With what imaginary money? LMG is a 100,000,000 dollar company (at least). Their sloppy, misinformed, shitty, shameful, video basically has the power to cut them off at the knees when they did absolutely nothing wrong.
There is so much more to this, but whatever. Linus is a garbage person. I feel as though Luke is a decent guy but afraid to give Linus the reality check that he desperately needs.
Anyway, the first sentence answered your question I think. I rambled and ranted.
I feel as though Luke is a decent guy but afraid to give Linus the reality check that he desperately needs.
I honestly don’t understand why Luke puts up with him. I’d have left years ago. Although I have never been friends with the pompous tit to begin with.
Okay, would we be even talking about Billet Labs after a month if they didn’t fuck up this video and selling off the prototype? This situation has been probably the best case scenario for them. This isn’t to absolve LMG’s part in losing the prototype and selling it off but if it worked as intended we wouldn’t be talking about a 900+ waterblock for a gpu right now. It would be a long forgotten video because most consumers don’t give a shit about boutique water cooling solutions, wow what a filler ltt episode. There is a market for it but and I continue to say this what super water cooling enthusiast is going to follow the words of local idiot/“funny” youtube man who does stupid watercooling projects in the dumbest ways possible.
if it worked as intended we wouldn’t be talking about a 900+ waterblock for a gpu right now.
It does work as intended. LMG fucked up once again by using the wrong card. Billet Labs sent them a compatible card and LMG lost it.
You missing the point I was making. I’m saying if LTT shot the video right and used a 3090 TI, we wouldn’t be talking about this it would be a pointless video that most people wouldn’t have given a shit about. It was 100% a filler episode. They really should have done it on a 3090 TI but holy shit this drama about this has been going on for a fucking month now only just rekindled with the GN news.
Sure, we wouldn’t be talking about this. But also Billet Labs wouldn’t have lost their only prototype device. It’s not like they can turn this attention into new customers when they don’t have a product to sell.
It is literally up for preorder right now and set to be delivered in a month or 3. You literally don’t think they have production models or cad files for this thing? Like yes losing this prototype sucks and it can hamper further development since they will need a new one made but if they haven’t updated their page that is a bit questionable to me. Their consumers should be informed of how this may affect things seeing as this has been a problem for months now.
Losing the prototype mostly hampers their ability to send it to other review channels, showing it to potential clients, and so on, so in a sense Linus forced them to milk the controversy as much as possible.
Thanks, the context you provided was important. If it was just the first sentence I would have been left with “ah, it’s a water-cooling block… wait, why is it such a big deal that it got auctioned off and lost? Water cooling blocks aren’t unusual. I have one in my computer right now.” The rest of the comment explained why this particular block was at the heart of such a fiasco and why losing it is so harmful.
Aside from that, when people criticized the video because he was essentially bashing a small company made by 2 dudes^1 , he then went on a rant on a WAN show saying that he wouldn’t review the thing again because he is not going to waste employee time and money into doing a proper review. And that he does’t really care because, ultimately, he thinks it’s a product that nobody should ever buy because it’s too expensive, even if the performance was great.
All said by the dude that used to make the weirdest shit and pay a shit ton of money for garbage, but god forbid someone made a waterblock for water cooling enthusiasts (you know, the kind of person that likes spending money on these products just for funsies, like audiophiles).
- This is funny because he always tries to avoid bashing big corps, like when Nvidia fucks up a product release, but they still find something positive to say about it. But a small company composed by 2 dudes that is lending you a prototype, which is not even their final product? A prototype, mind you, that Linus himself (because it was him and one more dude) couldn’t be arsed to review properly and decided to complain all throughout the video. Then it’s time to step on them, crush them under my boot of being a famous tech youtuber and let’s destroy their business if possible.
When you mentioned it was only two people, I got curious.
Turns out, it’s a small company operating out of london, and one of the directors lives two streets away from me.
If it wasn’t weird, I would absolutely take a basket of sympathy cookies or something over.Haha, I’d very much appreciate it myself if it were the case. I don’t think you are losing anything if you try to do so.
It’s not weird. I’d appreciate it if it were me.
