If only there were social media platforms which aren’t controlled by advertisement revenue.
I sometimes find it really hard to understand why people keep subjecting themselves to these kind of things.
because advertisment companies pay content creators either directly or indirectly, and many people stick around platforms to watch their favourite content creators. being funny online has become a day job for many, and with the job market being the way it is being an “influencer”, even if a niche one, pays better than a “real” job.
i’m not trying to excuse anyone here, it just is the way it is. do i like it? not really. but i also wouldn’t want people who make a living working as “online funny person/influencer” to suddenly lose their income. if we got rid of ad companies a lot of things would have to change at the same time for nobody to get hurt in the process.
when i stop being broke i’m going to sign up for nebula, that place seems to be trying to change things for the better in this regard
Aw man nebula is great. I totally recommend it to anyone with the extra disposable income. I got into it because Dr. Simon Clark (climate scientist YouTuber) had a discount link on one of his videos and it turned out that a bunch of other creators I like are on it, like HelloFutureMe and NotJustBikes. The only thing I feel like it’s missing is comments on videos, but I get that moderating that would be a lot, and while I like to know what other people think, I’m willing to sacrifice that for an overall better experience
I think the point of the post is that the solution being used to this problem creates other issues. If you instead spoke freely and beeped yourself, people would get what you are saying and the censorship would be more in your face.
yt barely pays enough for most content creators, they have brand deals and promotions, and people like trahearn or beast has some shitty food in thier name, or rely on patreon. youtube also makes the worst out of the content creators, some turn into pos over time.
What is nebula?
Video platform like youtube. However it’s paid only no free version. It has no adds and payment is based on a percentage of what money brought in and what percentage of viewtime you had that month.
Thanks!
To be clear, because the above comment was a little vague. You pay a fixed fee, like on Netflix or similar. I think it’s $30 per year? I forget because they grandfather you into your old price any time they raise the cost.
Then they distribute the funds to the creators based partly on viewtime. (Roughly speaking: one share goes to the platform—some of which goes back to creators in the form of funding for Nebula Originals—one share goes to the creator whose signup link you signed up with, and one share goes to multiple creators based on watchtime. I’m not sure if those shares are equal.) It’s sort of a creator-owned co-op type structure.
Most of the stuff on there is also available on YouTube, with the Nebula version just being ad-free and sometimes uploaded a day or a week earlier. Then some stuff has little extra bonus content on Nebula. And then there are Nebula-funded Originals, most of which are exclusively on Nebula, but some of which are shared to YouTube for marketing purposes. You can explore what content is available on the platform without having to sign up, at nebula.tv, to get a sense for it.
There’s !nebula@lemmy.world if you’re interested in more. Not that that’s super active.
This is very helpful, thanks!
it’s like youtube but better imo, there is a subscription fee to access it but for the right reason - all content creators that make videos there share ownership of the whole platform, and that allows them to make what they want to make instead of bowing to algorithms or ad companies. they can even say bad words and talk about non-family-friendly topics, i know, woah, right? :') i think it’s a very neat thing, the subscription price is pretty low too, especially if you join through a referral link (Philosophy Tube always has one in her descriptions if i’m not mistaken), but still, am broke, so waiting until i’m not broke to sign up
Thanks!
do you remember, when advertisement was OK? i used YT for a long time without adblocker. there where funny animations on the side of the video, a mildly annoying bar at the bottom with an easily clickable close button. Youtubers where funny, edgy and talked the way they wanted.
i think advertisement that way is OK: sometimes slightly annoying but it paid for the Youtubers and the platform, while not influencing the content.
People do this shit on Lemmy too where there is no reason to.
In fairness, that’s mostly through memes that have been nicked from other,more ad-laden sites.
I’ve seen it on text posts and comments
I habitually downvote all unnecessary censorship here
Death, death, to the IDF!
To be fair, when it comes to youtube the engagement on alternatives doesn’t exactly seem very robust. Somebody linked a peertube the other day saying it was a great one with a lot of content, and the vast majority of videos I saw on the front page had 0 views, with a handful having views in the single digits. That’s not really a viable alternative for a site with hundreds of millions of potential viewers.
The problem is: people want alternative, but they don’t want to pay for it. See the hatred for paywalls and love for ‘piracy’ here, on Lemmy. People won’t pay directly, so advertisements will stay.
I hate this model.
I mean, I pay for Nebula but honestly I don’t even use it most of the time. The content is pretty limited, even if I do like a lot of it. I still end up on Youtube instead, just because that’s where everyone posts.
There probably is some sort of middle-ground to be found. Maybe a niche website that takes certain kind of content and an audience specifically geared toward it, or one that’s more community-oriented and takes steps to weed out the huge amount of AI content that’s on Youtube at this point. I haven’t really seen that actually work, yet, though. Maybe something like a Nebula or a Dropout but with better access for the average user who wants to post their own content would be a decent solution.
I haven’t really seen Peertube do that, though.
Maybe this is because I’m an old gen x, but I do not self censor online. Ban me, mute me, downvote me…I don’t give a fuuuuuccccckkkk!
We’re on Lemmy. No advertisers to alienate!
Still plenty of power-tripping mods, though.
I got banned from like 12 communities I never visited because one mod got pissy I was downvoting their low quality memes every time they came on my feed.
Exactly the same! They really are fragile about their slop.
If you never interact with a particular Community other than to downvote it, the appropriate response is to block that Community. Browsing from the unfiltered “All” page and downvoting stuff you are literally not in the audience for is just shitty behaviour. Especially on a small platform like Lemmy, a small number of people doing that can have an outsized impact on the people who do want to see that kind of thing.
The memes were bad, I was curating.
Especially on a small platform like Lemmy, a small number of people doing that can have an outsized impact on the people who do want to see that kind of thing.
You should probably be more concerned about the powermods then, why should one person decide what’s appropriate for a dozen different communities? That’s actual outsized impact and it actually effects the people who are interested in those communities.
The memes were bad, I was curating.
Were you “curating” in a community you hadn’t had more positive engagement with previously?
Sometimes. Low quality memes are often evident regardless of familiarity.
You would if your primary source of income was posting content on one of these platforms.
That’d be a sad existence.
I mean…ok
It’s fascinating that “advertisement” is effectively the large-scale way of manipulating as many people as possible into something that they wouldn’t otherwise want, all backed by big money.
Consider that the primary worth of big tech companies like Google and Meta is effectively their potential to advertise, and these companies are the most highly rated stocks in the world. That shows you how much money can be extracted by professionally manipulating people, and how big of a deal this really is.
Advertisement must be recognized as something that hurts the people, and must be shunned.
Quite literally 1984.
double plus exactly
I saw a YouTube video recently in which the word “drinking” was censored. It’s ridiculous.
I fucking hate them because they arose to deal with algos.
People should not fucking please the machine. They are there to serve US
The problem is always the money, for example YouTubers get paid because of publicities, that’s why they say “unalived” and not killed, because if they do they get demonetised.
Or banned ofc.
That’s why I like it here, you can say penis and not get spermabanned.
Has anyone ever actually gotten in trouble for saying “killed?”
You really don’t get in trouble. Youtube’s AI will demonetize the video or the entire channel if it decides it doesn’t like the words you said. Which means no ad-sense money.
and there is no official list of words that Youtube doesn’t like. Youtubers can only make educated guess based trial and error. It probably works a lot like the algorithm that shadow deletes comments.
Theres wide agreement that suicide, kill, murder and rape will result in demonization. Some times you have say a combination of those words to trigger it. Happens more often to certain channels (usually the smaller ones) while others can say whatever and never have a video demonetized (usually the corporate owned channels)
eitherway youtube’s AI doesn’t forgive and once you’re on it’s shit list your channel is fucked and you might as well delete it.
Even more insidiously, they can also de-prioritize videos from being shown by the algorithm if they contain no-no words without actually de-monitizing them. So your video that would normally get a million views might only get 100,000 with no word of warning or any indication from YouTube of what exactly you did wrong or even that this is caused by YouTube and not your video being bad.
Note- I talk about YouTube but they all do this.
It really is creepy how it’s all turning into a religion with AI and algorithms as cryptic intangible deities. Please them and they’ll reward you. Anger them and they’ll curse you. The youtube cult is priests presenting paintings of red arrows and circles to their god while followers chant “for the algorithm!” “first!” in the comments. The priests ends each sermon by telling the true believers to sign a book and ring a bell icon. Why? Because they believe the algorithm likes it.
i used to follow channels, where the YTubers were loudmouths, they switched to patreon and then back, because suddenly turning MAGAT-ty isnt helping them(some asian channel talking about news)
Let’s murder kill suicide our rape drugs molestation stories to death. I like no ads on Lemmy, though.
I have been downvoted to hell for saying this exact thing on Lemmy
Just use the word “oligarchs” instead of “advertiser” because that resets the tech brains.
Which is silly because you won’t be censored here with no advertising.
I’ve used it too when talking about myself because I like the term. Same with “opt out” instead of suicide
I was amused when I learned PDF file. As in Jeffrey Jones is a PDF file.
Donald_Trump.pdf
Why do you care about what advertisers want unless you are getting paid by them?
Because advertisers dictate the language of every single major social media.
Tumblr is marking posts as adult just for being posted by transgender people
this post made me commit sewerslide
Advertising is an incoherent industry where it is generally understood and accepted for people to pay to not receive the product. Pay your advertising protection money or your content will be interrupted. Absolute racketeering.
It’s cringy because they are letting advertisers direct culture.
