Yes, I remember when I last saw a media clip and the oligarchs beamed their brainwashing wave into my head and changed my ballot.
At some point you have to grapple with the fact that the average person on the fucking street? Their values are abhorrent, and their policy positions are even worse.
But no, instead of trying to grapple with reality, the preference is overwhelmingly to portray the People™ as holy and correct DEEP DOWN if only you BROKE THEIR CHAINS by giving them the special words that no one has fucking found yet.
Democracy is not a fucking guarantee of good or sensible policy or leaders. All democracy is is a reflection of the will of the people - and a citizenry which does not take its civic duty seriously gives us results like Trump. The oligarchs are thrilled about this and interested in perpetuating it, but the blame lays on voters, who are overwhelmingly the ones with the actual power in the system, but who choose, time and time again, to elect people who tell them things that conform to their preconceptions and prejudices
You’re giving people way too much credit. Those of us who dig deep and really think about this are a small minority. Most people vote for whoever their favorite news source tells them to. When those news sources are corporate owned, you end up flipping a coin between two corporate approved candidates.
It sure doesn’t help having people like you acting like voting for a third party is the same as voting for whichever candidate you don’t like. You’re doing the oligarchs work for them. Harris lost, by a wide margin. She didn’t have a chance. Does that mean a vote for Harris was a vote for trump? Do you see how stupid that logic is?
You’re giving people way too much credit. Those of us who dig deep and really think about this are a small minority. Most people vote for whoever their favorite news source tells them to.
And that is a problem, not a forgivable quirk.
It sure doesn’t help having people like you acting like voting for a third party is the same as voting for whichever candidate you don’t like. You’re doing the oligarchs work for them.
I’m doing the oligarchs’ work for them by… trying to ensure the LESS pro-oligarch candidate wins, the less pro-oligarch candidate who also has the extremely appealing trait of not being a literal fucking Nazi?
Harris lost, by a wide margin. She didn’t have a chance.
What.
Do you… do you know what Harris lost by?
Does that mean a vote for Harris was a vote for trump? Do you see how stupid that logic is?
what.
The point of pointing out that throwing away your vote was a vote for the fucking Nazi is that in a FPTP system with near-majority support from two candidates, one of them is going to win the election. When September ran around and third-parties were still polling under fucking 1%, THAT was the time to fucking consider maybe voting for the anti-fascist coalition candidate. In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is - and guess who the fucking winner was? The goddamn Nazi.
And you’re outnumbered by these people 100 to 1 and you think you’re going to vote harder than them.
trying to ensure the LESS pro-oligarch candidate wins
No you’re right I’m sure the oligarchs hate it when you vote for one of the two candidates they hand picked for you. Nice primaries by the way.
Do you… do you know what Harris lost by?
31 states. 86 electoral votes. That’s 16 percent of 538. A wider margin than 4 of the 7 presidents elected this century.
In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is
Right, it’s electoral quantum superposition. Shroedinger’s ballot. Get the fuck out of here. A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Staying home is voting for no one. Stop getting your logic from bumper sticker slogans. It’s dumb.
And you’re outnumbered by these people 100 to 1 and you think you’re going to vote harder than them.
What the fuck are you talking about?
No you’re right I’m sure the oligarchs hate it when you vote for one of the two candidates they hand picked for you. Nice primaries by the way.
You mean the primaries where no one of substance ran and Biden, the winner of the 2020 primaries, won effectively by default?
So glad that military-grade morons like you are out here asspatting letting the more oligarch friendly candidate win as some sort of 4d chess against oligarchy. Putting your own goddamn nuts in a vise and calling it strategy when they pop like grapes.
31 states. 86 electoral votes.
Nice dodge. Less than 2% of the vote, genius.
Right, it’s electoral quantum superposition. Shroedinger’s ballot. Get the fuck out of here.
Jesus fucking Christ, I’m sorry basic math is equivalent to quantum physics in your limited comprehension.
Oh the popular vote matters now? When did they change the constitution?
Jesus fucking Christ, I’m sorry basic math is equivalent to quantum physics in your limited comprehension.
I was being generous calling it anything other than mental gymnastics. Statistically, non voters’ political slant probably reflects the rest of America and slightly more than half of them would have voted for trump. God, imagine that happened and you had to blame the DNC for running a shitty candidate that nobody liked instead of people who refused to partipate in this electoral circlejerk. That would be horrible for you.
Oh the popular vote matters now? When did they change the constitution?
Would you like to remind me what causes a state to go for one candidate or another?
I was being generous calling it anything other than mental gymnastics. Statistically, non voters’ political slant probably reflects the rest of America and slightly more than half of them would have voted for trump.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fucking point, Jesus H. Christ.
Read what’s being said before trying to argue against it.
Would you like to remind me what causes a state to go for one candidate or another?
Sure.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
Read what’s being said before trying to argue against it.
You mean this?
In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is
I did read it. I don’t buy it. In fact I think it’s dumb.
Nope. The correct answer is C. The oligarchs who control the media and tell people who to vote for.
Yes, I remember when I last saw a media clip and the oligarchs beamed their brainwashing wave into my head and changed my ballot.
At some point you have to grapple with the fact that the average person on the fucking street? Their values are abhorrent, and their policy positions are even worse.
But no, instead of trying to grapple with reality, the preference is overwhelmingly to portray the People™ as holy and correct DEEP DOWN if only you BROKE THEIR CHAINS by giving them the special words that no one has fucking found yet.
Democracy is not a fucking guarantee of good or sensible policy or leaders. All democracy is is a reflection of the will of the people - and a citizenry which does not take its civic duty seriously gives us results like Trump. The oligarchs are thrilled about this and interested in perpetuating it, but the blame lays on voters, who are overwhelmingly the ones with the actual power in the system, but who choose, time and time again, to elect people who tell them things that conform to their preconceptions and prejudices
You’re giving people way too much credit. Those of us who dig deep and really think about this are a small minority. Most people vote for whoever their favorite news source tells them to. When those news sources are corporate owned, you end up flipping a coin between two corporate approved candidates.
It sure doesn’t help having people like you acting like voting for a third party is the same as voting for whichever candidate you don’t like. You’re doing the oligarchs work for them. Harris lost, by a wide margin. She didn’t have a chance. Does that mean a vote for Harris was a vote for trump? Do you see how stupid that logic is?
And that is a problem, not a forgivable quirk.
I’m doing the oligarchs’ work for them by… trying to ensure the LESS pro-oligarch candidate wins, the less pro-oligarch candidate who also has the extremely appealing trait of not being a literal fucking Nazi?
What.
Do you… do you know what Harris lost by?
what.
The point of pointing out that throwing away your vote was a vote for the fucking Nazi is that in a FPTP system with near-majority support from two candidates, one of them is going to win the election. When September ran around and third-parties were still polling under fucking 1%, THAT was the time to fucking consider maybe voting for the anti-fascist coalition candidate. In such a system, not voting or protest voting is effectively a half-vote contribution to whomever the eventual winner is - and guess who the fucking winner was? The goddamn Nazi.
You seem to think the average American is capable of using reason, has intellectual curiosity, and has morals.
The average American is literally too dumb to ever do any of that, and screaming into the void doesn’t change that.
Politicians need to notice more than half the country is braindead and checked out and act accordingly.
In what ever-loving fucking way are politicians running on the presumption that American voters are using reason, intellectual curiousity, or morals?
You’re asking them to change their strategy to… what they’re already operating under.
And you’re outnumbered by these people 100 to 1 and you think you’re going to vote harder than them.
No you’re right I’m sure the oligarchs hate it when you vote for one of the two candidates they hand picked for you. Nice primaries by the way.
31 states. 86 electoral votes. That’s 16 percent of 538. A wider margin than 4 of the 7 presidents elected this century.
Right, it’s electoral quantum superposition. Shroedinger’s ballot. Get the fuck out of here. A vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Staying home is voting for no one. Stop getting your logic from bumper sticker slogans. It’s dumb.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You mean the primaries where no one of substance ran and Biden, the winner of the 2020 primaries, won effectively by default?
So glad that military-grade morons like you are out here asspatting letting the more oligarch friendly candidate win as some sort of 4d chess against oligarchy. Putting your own goddamn nuts in a vise and calling it strategy when they pop like grapes.
Nice dodge. Less than 2% of the vote, genius.
Jesus fucking Christ, I’m sorry basic math is equivalent to quantum physics in your limited comprehension.
Oh the popular vote matters now? When did they change the constitution?
I was being generous calling it anything other than mental gymnastics. Statistically, non voters’ political slant probably reflects the rest of America and slightly more than half of them would have voted for trump. God, imagine that happened and you had to blame the DNC for running a shitty candidate that nobody liked instead of people who refused to partipate in this electoral circlejerk. That would be horrible for you.
Would you like to remind me what causes a state to go for one candidate or another?
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fucking point, Jesus H. Christ.
Read what’s being said before trying to argue against it.
Sure.
You mean this?
I did read it. I don’t buy it. In fact I think it’s dumb.