The plaintiff says that Microsoft’s tactic of “forced obsolescence” is an “attempt to monopolize the generative AI market.”
Case file: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/klein-v-microsoft-san-diego-complaint.pdf
I would not pursue the path of suing for not supporting a legacy operating system, but instead focus on the forced obsolescence of hardware blocking people moving to Windows 11 on millions of computers that are still perfectly functional.
Do you not remember Microsoft saying Windows 10 was going to be the last operating system? They literally said they were going to move to continuous updates.
For anyone wondering what Microsoft actually said about Windows 10 being the last version: https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-may-be-last-version-windows-microsoft-rethinks-operating-system
And no, they didn’t it’d be the last Windows. They said it’d be the last traditional release before moving on to “Windows as a Service”.
Yes. Tech companies say a lot of things at points in time but having personally spent 3 decades in the industry, the one thing you can rely on is that they will always chase the money. If it means breaking old promises they will do that in a heartbeat and use marketing to spin it as something great for users.
Problem is saying shit like that has consequences.
They kind of have done it though, even now I can upgrade a 10 computer to 11 IF it has the hardware. So from a license level it’s effectively what they promised, it’s the hardware reqs that are the problem. If they left the name the same we could be sitting at the same issue with the latest “10 Forever” updates being blocked by hardware requirements.
But that’s just it. There’s no reason for the extra hardware requirements they added to 11 other than to force a bunch of users onto new computers, on top of the fact that they’re making it more and more difficult to use Windows without the Internet.
Why are we defending their decisions when all they do is take from us?
I’m not “defending” shit. But there are holes in the argument when coming from this direction. If we want to win, we have to have a concrete argument.
They kind of have done it though[:] even now I can upgrade a 10 computer to 11 IF it has the hardware.
That’s not continuous updates.
Upgrade != Update
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Lmao microsoft is such a scum company, always has been.
Lying thieves
I understand that Microsoft never officially said this. It was a comment by an MS employee who was not in a position to make such a claim.
Would be an argument if we weren’t talking about software that was sold with the promise it would be suported
It’s not really legacy though in the same way that previous versions of Windows have been when they went EOL. Microsoft switched to an “agile” workflow for Windows around 2017, the current version of Windows 10, 22H2, is not quite 3 years old.
Yup, you could skip Vista by using XP until windows 7, and you could skip windows 8 by sticking with windows 7 until 10 came out.
Now they’re forcing people to get every version even if they put out a shit version of windows.
Also computers aren’t ramping up in hardware performance like they used to so a lot of people who would buy a new computer every so often and the new one would just come with a new version of windows… they aren’t doing that any more.
Also there’s tarrifs, inflation, and a lot of people just can’t afford a new computer. So this is a perfect storm of windows suckiness.
They should be sued for facilitating war crimes and genocide.
To my reading the plaintiffs argument is that users are being forced to upgrade to Win11 or pay $30/year ($61/year for business users) and this presents an undue burden on consumers. As much as I hate to say it, Microsoft looks to have short circuited this claim two days prior to the filing.
From June 24:
Windows 10 support is NOT ending on October 14, 2025, if you’re ready to link your Microsoft account and sync Settings to the cloud. Adding a Microsoft account to Windows 10 will extend support until October 13, 2026. If you don’t want to link a Microsoft account, you can either pay $30 for a local account or use Microsoft Rewards 1,000 points.
So MS is saying that as long as you’re not using a local account, you don’t have to pay for extended support for Win10. Only if you want to keep your local account do you need to pay $30/year (as a non-business user).
That sounds like a cheap mobile game. Pay 1000 points to unlock ad free experience!
Welcome to hyper-capitalism, where the currencies are made up and the valuations don’t matter
Only a 1000 scrip!
Well, they get sued every 11 days on average. So this isn’t newsworthy unless the judge decides something novel.
These folks would really hate Apple’s support path for old OSes.
Sweet, maybe I’ll be able to get some relatives off of 11.
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I logged into my Mac computer today to find out that “Teams is not supported by iOS” that’s fucked! A lot of people rely on Zoom and them Team to do interviews and such! Fuck Gates!
You know he hasn’t been part of Microsoft in over a decade, right?
Yup! Fully aware… but still fuck em… thanks for the “update” 🤦🏽♀️ also, check your comment before posting because you clearly can’t even make a correct sentence and statement.
I believe you meant, “he hasn’t BEEN a part of Microsoft in over a decade”.
Ohh no. A grammar mistake. My point has been totally neutralized.
Nope, never stated that… just saying that if you want a point to come across valid might want to check your comment before posting.
And just because Gates hasn’t been a part of the company doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a voice in it. I have friends in Cali working in tech who state that he is still involved in certain parts of the company.
But either way, I shouldn’t have to deal with this just because I believe iMacs are better than a trash laptop with Microsoft.
I was a teacher for years and getting Google Laptops for kids was my nightmare! They were always so slow and had so many issues! When we used iPads we NEVER had problems… that shows something!
Microsoft vs iOS will never die! But now I have students not being able to use certain Microsoft apps because they have an Apple computer… I feel so bad because I don’t know what to tell them because I also have an Apple and cannot access the same apps.
Sure bud. Whatever makes you feel better. There are much nicer ways to point out a simple mistake if that was your actual intention. And based on the response, it clearly wasn’t.
Saying their are Microsoft apps you can’t use on Apple products is the pot calling the kettle black.
And what do Google laptops have to do with this?
There*
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iOS is now running on Macs?
Didn’t really follow, but did they switch the naming of their OS to be the same as their mobile stuff?
Meanwhile, in Linux land, 6 month release distros only support for 1.5 years…
If you disregard LTS versions, yeah 😄
Even then it’s usually just a kernel update and not a complete OS reinstall.
yeah, it’s not a fair comparison because updating to the LTS version is nothing like as disruptive as the move from Windows 10 to 11, and even when that falls out of support it’s still not as disruptive to upgrade to a newer LTS.
You’re welcome to request a refund.
Oh get a fucking grip… every company does forced obsolescence. You don’t sue because you were stupid enough to buy into it. You get smart and quit buying into it.
Agreed. My only counter was MS saying Windows 10 was the last operating system we would ever need to buy. I didn’t believe it, and neither did anyone in the IT space, but it sounded sane to end users.
Yes, it’s common therefore it is right!
I hate it as much as the next person, but it’s not illegal and the correct answer is quit buying their shit so that they go out of business and/or a competitor does it better.
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