We receive a lot of reports from this community, and we get the impression that the current rules and moderation capabilities aren’t sufficient for a community like this. While things are quieter right now, during periods of activity this community tends to cause unnecessary strain on the lemmy.ca admin team.
Having additional moderators could help with this, as well as having a more comprehensive set of rules. That way, the community’s mod team can go through the queue more quickly and also take action on users that abuse the reports.
For the sake of a productive discussion, please limit comments in this thread to discussions on how to improve this community, without directly pointing to specific users or situations. Ideally, this will also help to develop better rules (think ‘veil of ignorance’).
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Putting “drama” in the community name summons drama. It’s mean spirited. It’s always going to generate problems. It is frequently weaponized to amplify the drama in other communities. And for what?
Documenting and discussing the events of the Fediverse, and wallowing in the drama are two different things. One has societal value, and the other hurts the participants and the subjects.
Very much agree with this. Why does such a community exist? To talk shit instead of choosing to ignore others or working on addressing the conflict if you feel you can’t let go.
Communities like this drive harassment because when there is a popular post against someone, some people assume it must be accurate or valid and pile on. It’s incredibly unwelcoming.
There is a difference between “gotcha, I am very smart” and “this is harmful content/a person that harms the community - be wary”.
Edit: LMAO exactly this kind of shit: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/50173159
People are still talking about vtc for whatever reason, it makes sense Hamid’s going to hear about it (people have community outside of lemmy??? Weird right?). I’d probably try and rile them up too. It’s really wild.
feeling called out
Am I missing something. It shows up as fediverselore on my frontend?
The community logo is a bucket of popcorn. No one can pretend the point isn’t to stir shit.
When I am going to watch a film, I go to a cinema, buy a ticket and a bucket of popcorn. I don’t stir a movie - the director, actors and other people already have done it for my enjoyment.
One does not stir a drama using popcorn. One brings it when the drama already happened, made by drama perpetrators and participants. We (FediLore participants) are meant not do make drama, but rather to watch it develop.
This isn’t literal popcorn that people eat at the cinema. This is metaphorical popcorn that people metaphorically eat to exalt in their schadenfreude. As you probably well grasp. It’s a metaphor that dehumanizes and humiliates the posts’ subjects, casting them not as real people with real feelings, but mere entertainment for our amusement. That’s fucking shitty.
I invite you to review the posts in this community (or have an AI comprehensively do so) and then tell me that this community does not stir drama.
Sorry beforehand for the wall of text.
My two cents: enforce rationality.
Due to the nature of their content, drama communities tend to attract people who are addicted to feeling outraged, and who feel emotional fulfilment when others validate with their outrage. I’ll call them “outrage addicts”.
They will often get completely irrational, and screech at anyone who dares to highlight the “target” of the outrage (a situation or a person) is not so bad - because they interpret it as “someone is trying to deny my emotional fulfilment, why are they attacking my feelings?”
This exerts selective pressure in the community: outrage addicts will stay, no matter if they get bad interactions or downvotes, since the comm fulfils their emotional need. Everyone else ends leaving, because people hate dumb fucks who screech at you when you highlight cat shit is not as bad of a problem as elephant shit.
In the process, as outrage addicts interact more and more with each other, fuelling each other’s outrage, the comm develops a strong and extreme hivemind, that sounds a lot like “Don’t you dare to condone that piece of shit, by disagreeing with Us”.
(For example, if you highlight that “euthanising a 12yo dog with terminal cancer” is not the same as “killing puppies”, people in a comm like this will screech at you “WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING PUPPY KILLERS?”)
I do not think this community reached this point yet, but the large amount of reports hints this process is underway. And if it is underway, it’ll become worse over time.
Those outrage addicts need to be detected and removed early. And IMO the best way to do so is by their irrationality - because, while “this deserves the hate” is subjective, “this is irrational” is not.
Focus specially on people who are eager to:
- Shift the discussion from what is being said to who says it.
- Actively ignore context, subtleties, gradations, when talking about a situation or a person.
- Dogpile.
This will likely require active monitoring, so you’ll need new moderators consistently checking comments, regardless of reports. Make sure they’re all in the same page, and they personally avoid moderating discussions they’re emotionally invested into.
I really appreciate and respect that you’re making this post . IDK what to provide as feedback except to say I hope that this community continues
