Yes. The same god that tells the Jewish people that they are the chosen ones, and Israel is their promised land. The idea of that god, specifically, directly was the impetus for the death of every Palestinian that has been killed so far in their genocide.
It’s ethnosupremacy that’s killing Palestinians not religion. Zionism was made by an atheist, not calling out Zionism for what it actually is lead us to this problem in the first place. The victims say it’s a racist ideology and the oppressors can genuinely get fucked.
Zionism has secular roots, but it has definitely been picked up by- and is currently used primarily by religious extremists. To say Zionism is atheistic is inaccurate at best.
Oh I know, I’m not saying it’s a religious or secular ideology inherently. Just that it will change itself to fit the group that’s carrying out the genocides.
If it’s religious zealots then it will be religious, if it’s secularists then it will be secular.
That’s just simply not true, not only most of jewish zionists claim to be religious and uses religious arguments for zionism but also the bulk of christian zionists are evangelical fanatics.
Zionism is flexible, it started out secular but it changed over time to better cater to the audience (religious Zionism).
These aren’t inherently contradicting because the central theme of zionism is and will always be ethnonationalism + fascism. As long as those aspects remain, zionism can be whatever it needs to be to cater to its audience.
Agree, i never said zionism is caused solely by religion, i just think that classifying zionist as “atheist” movement is simply not true when it have such significant religious following and motivations. Also “secular” is much better word than “atheist” here.
Judaism as a religion believes that they will be led to the promised land by the return of their messiah. Zionists decided to cut that part out, defy their scripture and do the return part by themselves. Zionism sees Jews as purely a race.
Zionism at its very essence is completely Atheistic. Its father Theodor Herzl was an Atheist.
Zionism as a national movement that rebelled against historical Judaism was mainly atheistic. Most of its leaders and activists ceased believing in redemption through the coming of the Messiah, the long-standing essence of Jewish belief, and took their fate into their own hands. The power of the human subject replaced the power of the omnipotent God.
The rabbis knew that, and were terrified – and, therefore, almost all of them became avowed anti-Zionists. From Hasidic rebbes Sholom Dovber Schneersohn, the Admor of Lubavitch (Chabad) and Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (the Admor of Gur) to leading U.S. Reform Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise, founder of the Reform Central Conference, mitnagdim and Hasidim, Orthodox, Reform and Conservative, all saw the rise of Zionism as the end of Judaism. Due to the sweeping opposition of the rabbis of Germany, Theodor Herzl was forced to transfer the First Zionist Congress from Munich to the Swiss city of Basel.
And this make entire movement, nowadays heavily supported by religious fanatics from more than one religion suddenly atheists? At most you could say it had secular roots. Again, i’m not saying religion caused zionism, but atheism also didn’t.
Yes. The same god that tells the Jewish people that they are the chosen ones, and Israel is their promised land. The idea of that god, specifically, directly was the impetus for the death of every Palestinian that has been killed so far in their genocide.
It’s ethnosupremacy that’s killing Palestinians not religion. Zionism was made by an atheist, not calling out Zionism for what it actually is lead us to this problem in the first place. The victims say it’s a racist ideology and the oppressors can genuinely get fucked.
But yeah ur right, God is a myth
Zionism has secular roots, but it has definitely been picked up by- and is currently used primarily by religious extremists. To say Zionism is atheistic is inaccurate at best.
Oh I know, I’m not saying it’s a religious or secular ideology inherently. Just that it will change itself to fit the group that’s carrying out the genocides.
If it’s religious zealots then it will be religious, if it’s secularists then it will be secular.
Fair enough.
Zionism is a hardcore Atheistic ideology.
That’s just simply not true, not only most of jewish zionists claim to be religious and uses religious arguments for zionism but also the bulk of christian zionists are evangelical fanatics.
Zionism is flexible, it started out secular but it changed over time to better cater to the audience (religious Zionism).
These aren’t inherently contradicting because the central theme of zionism is and will always be ethnonationalism + fascism. As long as those aspects remain, zionism can be whatever it needs to be to cater to its audience.
Agree, i never said zionism is caused solely by religion, i just think that classifying zionist as “atheist” movement is simply not true when it have such significant religious following and motivations. Also “secular” is much better word than “atheist” here.
Yeah, calling it atheist was genuinely stupid.
Judaism as a religion believes that they will be led to the promised land by the return of their messiah. Zionists decided to cut that part out, defy their scripture and do the return part by themselves. Zionism sees Jews as purely a race.
Zionism at its very essence is completely Atheistic. Its father Theodor Herzl was an Atheist.
So you tell judaists they are atheists because they do not fit in your definition of judaism? Are you even judaist?
Knowing things does not require adhering to them. Also I forgot to link the article with my previous post here it is
https://archive.is/dptFy#selection-1085.0-1103.592
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Herzl himself says he was an Atheist. As did most of the Zionist founders. Consider doing some reading.
And this make entire movement, nowadays heavily supported by religious fanatics from more than one religion suddenly atheists? At most you could say it had secular roots. Again, i’m not saying religion caused zionism, but atheism also didn’t.