In a battle between two Californians considering Democratic runs for president in 2028, Gov. Gavin Newsom holds a slight edge over former Vice President Kamala Harris, according to a new poll.
The poll, conducted by Politico and The Citrin Center public opinion firm, found Newsom is the top choice of 25% of California’s Democratic voters in the 2028 Democratic primary, leading all prospective candidates including Harris, the 2024 Democratic nominee, who is supported by 19% of the state’s Democrats.
The two high-profile Californians are followed in the poll by former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (13%), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (10%), Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (4%) and New Jersey U.S. Sen. Cory Booker (4%).
Other than AOC, that list might as well be Republicans.
I’d probably separate out Tim Walz on that list as well, even if he’s still not quite AOC.
Yeah, I’m relatively cool with him. I like Minnesota politicians in general.
An Ocasio-Cortez / Walz ticket would be a dream come true. I believe Newsom is too much of a neoliberal and opportunist to actually begin to revert the US into a progressive state, and would ultimately cause someone like DeSantis to be elected afterwards.
Waltz/AOC would have a much better chance of success since America is still pretty sexist.
Also Walz will be in his 70s in 2036, AOC will be pushing 50. I’d much rather Walz 2028-2036 and then run AOC 2036-2044.
Dems should prove thsy by actually allowing a decent woman being the candidate
Right now isn’t the best time to try to prove a point.
Time for more terrible candidates i guess
Yeah, because Hillary, Kamala, and AOC are all candidates of equal quality (women), and even considering a woman is a mistake, because as we all know, women shouldn’t and can’t try to become leaders in government.
Libs are so fucking eager to surrender to misogyny. It is sickening.
The problem isn’t that the previous candidates were women, it was that everyone fucking hated them and their policies were monstrous.
Hillary, Kamala, and AOC
What point are you trying to make? Because one of those is not like the other…
Each of them is better than Trump, but Hillary and Harris are basically Republican light with shitty, shady pasts.
They fucking managed to LOSE to fucking Trump that tells you all you need to know about them.
I think he was being sarcastic. “They are woman so they are basically the same.” Is the argument he is attacking.
I think he was being sarcastic. “They are woman so they are basically the same.” Is the argument he is attacking.
I am well aware. But my dream is AOC / Walz for 2 terms, then Walz and his VP pick
“Okay, we’ve had a 40 year old president now. Time to switch back to someone pushing 70.”
Sexism is more of a problem when you’re trying to win over conservative voters…
The dems who voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were older white men/women and older Hispanic men.
Those groups have issues with toxic masculinity and racism, implying the reason they stayed home was because the canidate with the same platform was not a white man like Biden.
Sounds kinda conservative to me 🤷 I’m just saying if you’re a minority running for the office, don’t pivot towards people who see your identity as an issue.
I think there are a lot of older white men/women and hispanic men who vote Democrat but have conservative ideals.
They’re called Neoliberals usually
Walz/AOC would also work
I just vomited a lot a bit…
Edit: honestly I’ve been having this reaction a lot when hearing about neo liberals and fascists. The first part of your comment is my dream and the last part is feeling like the nightmare reality.
I like what he’s doing right now. Mocking drumpf using his own stupid style of tweets is absolutely perfect and really seems to get under the pedo/rapist’s skin.
But I am not sure about him running for the presidency. I mean yes he’s better that the orange cancer… But can’t we do better? We need better!
Just to refresh memories, back in 2020 Democratic primary voters decided that picking a candidate exclusively on their perceived ability to fight Trump was more important than one who would be the best President. That didn’t end up working so well in the long run.
If the Democrats don’t elect a transformative President that will twist arms in Congress and put the people ahead of the oligarchs, then get used to the idea of President Vance in 2032.
It’s an obvious ploy to gain cultural following leading up to his run. He hired a PR team and this is the result.
I don’t want newsom to run
Not Kamala. Democrats just refuse to learn fucking anything don’t they
I also don’t want Kamala to run either
I really don’t want to imagine Newsom topping Kamala Harris.
Fuck you, Gavin. Stay home. We don’t need you effing this up.
A sack of potatoes tops Kamala Harris. She dropped out in 2020 because she would not pass the first round.
Fuuuuck the DNC. I really hope that people actually vote in the primaries, if they actually happen, and we don’t end up with another fucking corporate fellating Dem on the ticket for the general election. Then again, I don’t want to hear about the goddamn next presidential election when the mid-terms are next in line.
Nobody sensible wants Harris. She was shit before, no way she’ll get better. Is she trying to throw the next election too?
FFS the centrists are failures.
I think we should look to outside talent. The lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss is available and probably more personable despite several years of decomposition.
Newsom can top all the Democrats he wants, i am still not going to support him.
Phrasing!
He can bottom them for all I care
His ability to match Trumpian trolling style needs to be picked up by someone new, or else we should really get behind this guy at least he is not literally a child raping Russian asset sent to destroy America JFC it’s hard to be picky here
Great, so you are another fascist enabler. You dont need to like his policies but if he is the person to stop the fascist and you dont support him or even vote for him you are on the side of the fascists.
If I don’t like his policies because he agrees with fascists more than he should, why should I vote for him?
You dont need to like his policies
That’s just it: his policies are how he governs. Awful Neoliberal policies devastating working people to the point that most can barely afford to live is (along with billionaire-owned yellow media) how things got bad enough for a resurgence of fascism.
That being said, the Neoliberal style of campaigning where the vast majority of their messaging is aimed at converting the increasingly tiny sliver of a demographic that have voted GOP and would ever in a million years vote Dem while ignoring the leftmost two thirds of their own base is a losing strategy that lost to the most unqualified and repulsive presidential candidate in living memory if not ever. TWICE.
In conclusion: his policies (and the fact that he’s almost as corrupt as your average Republican) would make him an awful president, and the campaign strategy of the DNC that he’d doubtlessly go along with would make him likely to lose to someone even worse.
Newsome is the person that will let facists win again
Supporting the Democrats is supporting fascist enablers. Well they had power. They gave up two supreme Court pics. They were more than happy to rally behind a false immigration debate, they avoided the prosecution of actual criminals. Just assuming that they would go away, they failed to codify roe v. Wade in law. The Democrats have basically for the last 50 years done. Almost nothing short of handover power and make a really crappy healthcare system. Slightly less crappy temporarily.
We’re here now because they didn’t have the backbone to fight fascists.
Newsom is fascist, how you gonna call someone a fascism enabler when they oppose a fascist??
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I honestly can’t believe they haven’t learned the consequences of doing nothing when the bare minimum would have saved so many people.
I am left to believe that trump’s bot campaign is back in full force because frankly, I cannot believe someone can be this willfully ignorant.
Its the voters fault that the candidates are shit…
The important thing here is that you’re right and should continue preaching the same message because it worked so well the last time. And changing tactics wouldn’t be a sign of learning something or not being lazy.
I’m left to wonder if you’re saying the same thing to all the edgy communists who are promising they won’t vote for Newsom if he wins the bid.
You know. Because it’s just a repeat of the same thing they did last time and all.
I tell them to not expect worsening conditions to teach liberals the right lesson and they should vote as if they’re choosing a boss fight. In that context fascist-light is the correct choice.
Yeah. I checked. Your comment history tells a different story. And for the record, the only thing a far-leftist can teach anyone is that by example-
doing nothing, does nothing.
Everyone you disagree with is a bot, even when they have articulated thoughts.
That’s a pretty bold accusation. Do you care to back that up with evidence?
I am left to believe that trump’s bot campaign is back in full force
Everyone you disagree with is a bot, even when they have articulated thoughts.
Are you insinuating that you represent all people in this case? Or are you willing to accept that fact that I made this accusation based on a finite number of people that fit the description?
Yeah. I think they’re just young idealists, trying to signal their values on social media.
I don’t think Lemmy is much of a target for bots but I feel like we get the back scatter - actual users parroting the narrative they picked up elsewhere.
Democrats is somehow always able to find worse candidates than the last one…
I’m done voting for Neoliberals.
Kamala was the last one.
The lesser of two evils will not save us.
In the primary.
at any time
/gestures around in all directions
STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL
I mean… that’s a pretty low bar, though, right? Kamala just set the world record for fastest time from hype to revulsion any politician has ever achieved and pulled her entire party along into the grave she dug herself.
What world are you living in?
Ok, why do you think she lost the general election and the popular vote then?
The world where people would rather live with a party of literal fucking nazis than sully themselves with anything less than their ideal.
“Please stop supporting genocide” “No”
“Please stop deporting people without due process” “No”
“Please stop bombing children” “No”
“Please stop gaslighting us about the state of the economy” “No”
“Please say you’ll do something to stop healthcare from being the biggest cause of bankruptcy” “No”
“Please make the economy work for the people, rather than the rich” “No”
“…anything less than their ideal”
I’m not sure you understand what the phrase “less than their ideal” means.
Look, anyone with a brain saw that concentration camps were coming before this last election. Everyone was able to see what was coming since they literally published it in black and white how they planned to destroy the country. Everyone was already aware what their goals were when it comes to women and trans.
Your whole reasoning is utter bullshit.
What, did you think Trump was going to stop bombing the fuck out of Gaza?
“Stop deporting people without due process” yeah cause our current alternative is sooo much better.
“Stop gaslighting us about the state of the economy” because now if we just don’t report on it anymore it’s not gaslighting right?
Healthcare Guess no Medicare or Medicaid is better right?
Economy for the rich Fuck that’s a good one man. Trump surely was the obvious choice to save us from that one /s
You’re either the dumbest willfully ignorant mf out there if you think you couldn’t have seen the current state of affairs coming and honestly thought we’d be better off with the current alternative because of your fucking high horse, or you’re a Russian troll.
Who said Trump was gonna be better about any of that? I certainly didn’t. But the Democrats were going to keep supporting those systems, and helping the Republicans build them out. The ones helping the facists aren’t going to fight against and stop the facists. That makes them far from “less than ideal”.
Look, I’ll put it another way. And yeah, I love metaphors because they help explain things that should be obvious to simple people.
You’re sitting at a lunch table with a group of people. You’re all told that you to decide what to have for lunch as a group. Only one option is allowed, and everyone must eat what the group decides on.
Your options are:
1: A sandwich with absolutely no real substance. It’s just two slices of bread with the thinnest wafer of baloney you’ve ever seen.
Or
2: A literal shit sandwich. Just a straight turd sandwiched between some moldy bread. They also sprinkled a little gold glitter on it and slapped a Made In America sticker on it.
Most people would look at this and say “well this one’s a no brainier. Who the fuck would pick the turd sandwich? The other one may not be very tasty or have much nutrition, but at least it isn’t a literal fucking turd sandwich.”
Only, some people at the table are incapable of making a decision to save their lives and insist they have to listen to both sides of the argument before coming to a decision.
So there’s probably some people at the table that are championing the baloney sandwich and going on and on about how fucking great baloney is and everyone should love baloney too.
The dipshits at the table however are thinking, “I hate baloney. Fuck those guys and their baloney. I’m gonna make those guys eat that nasty fucking turd.” They just can’t wait to see the look of disgust and rage on those peoples faces as their forced to eat the shit sandwich. Ignoring the reality that they too will have to eat the turd.
You also have trolls at a near-by table yelling encouragement at the dipshits like “yeah, fuck those guys and their baloney, make them eat shit” and “look at that nothing sandwich, that’s the sorriest excuse for a sandwich I’ve ever seen. Who would eat that?” or “More like a bullshit baloney sandwich” and so on.
The dipshits and the trolls decide to yell over the baloney people, so some of the people who can’t think for themselves believe there’s more support for the shit sandwich and side with the group they think is already winning, because if more people support the shit sandwich it must be for a good reason. And who doesn’t love being on the winning side, right?
There might even be some well meaning people at another near-by table telling everyone about how “baloney is unhealthy because is high in sodium, and the bread should have been whole wheat instead of white because that’s more nutritious”, or “meat is murder, and why would you support murder?” wining some of the other indecisive fucks over.
Meanwhile you’re over here removed “why can’t we have a burger instead”? You don’t like either option, you’d rather have a nice fat burger. Only burgers weren’t a fucking option in the first place, so you’re going to sit this one out because they aren’t serving burgers. You cross your fucking arms and stay silent picking nothing.
But guess what, one of the two options is going to be your lunch whether you like it or not. So you sat this one out because you didn’t like your options and someone else picked your lunch for you. Shockingly, rationality didn’t win out like you thought it would. Turns out, there were just slightly more dipshits and indecisive fucks out there than you thought.
So now we all have to eat this shit sandwich together. And you’re over here with your shit-eating grin thinking “well at least I didn’t vote for this. I wanted burgers. Serves them right for not making burgers an option. Maybe next time they’ll have better options.” Even though this is the second fucking time we’ve been forced to eat this shit, and next time there probably won’t even be vote.
Can you get up from the table and leave? Sure. But its too late now because you’re already eating this turd whether you like it or not. All you can do now is either run away with your shit-stained lips, or find the fucking asshole that even made a shit-sandwich an option in the first place and make them regret it.
That’s a bad analogy. The sandwich with no substance in it is neutral. If the Dems were neutral, I’d have no problem with it. But they are actively evil. We don’t call them the “lesser evil” because they are neutral. They are actively:
- bombing children
- supporting rapists
- supporting facists
- draining our resources to help their rich friends
- destroying the environment
- torturing people
- backing a genocide
- backing the abuses of the military/intelligence agencies
- backing surveillance systems
If you think that equates to a “A sandwich with absolutely no real substance. It’s just two slices of bread with the thinnest wafer of baloney you’ve ever seen.” then I’m going to stop engaging with you because we fundamentally see reality differently. I see attrocities, and you see no real problems.
They do have a turd in the sandwich, but because it’s a smaller turd than the other sandwich, I’m being told that the turd in the Dem’s sandwich doesn’t exist. And I can see it with my own eyes, as do many others, who agree that maybe we should be allowed to ask for a sandwich without a turd. I’m not asking for a burger, I’m asking for someone who isn’t going to destroy people’s lives, but the Democrats aren’t interested in that.
