I have seen these seemingly contradictory views particularly from Muslim comrades. However, this is not limited to them.

This post is a genuine question not a rant, so please treat it as such.

  • stink@lemmygrad.ml
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    6 days ago

    Am Muslim, I don’t even know LMAO I think it’s just how you’re brought up?

    I have plenty of gay / trans friends, I know a lot of Hijabi women who also have gay / trans friends.

    There is still a lot of work that can be done in my community, particularly with Muslim men, as there is a lot of discrimination. But even then there are strides being made. An old childhood friend of mine used to be extremely homophobic and I distanced myself from him, caught up with him about a year ago and he’s a completely changed person. Still has some “I don’t understand why…” questions but is getting better at asking questions on things instead of just denouncing them vehemently.

    My own father was standing, arms linked, with a tall goth trans mommy waving the trans flag at a Palestine protest.

    I think a lot of it comes down to just receiving exposure of someone who is LGBTQ+ and realizing they’re normal people lol.

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      Yea, the material circumstances surely are at play. My material circumstances is Lebanon where pretty much any sexuality not heterosexual is criminalized and highly unaccepted. From conversations had, it’s way easier to get through the less religious types. I come from a Muslim upbringing, but excluding most of my mom’s family, those that aren’t secular hold non-sectarian beliefs in the sense of a God and some Islamic-focused beliefs even though they would call themselves Muslim. Discussions with these types of believers will very quickly result in “What’s next, a dog?” or something like that, but after some very basic education they get a more neutral view and maybe later on, if they’re younger, a more accepting view. That’s not to say there aren’t any accepting Muslims from homophobic countries, they’re just very rare.

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      Okay how would you feel if a close friend who was also Muslim confesses to you that they were gay or trans.

      Someone who was close and tight knit in your Muslim community, a fellow practitioner of the faith.

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        I wouldn’t personally care. I don’t go to the mosque as much as I used to, it’d be silly of me to criticize somebody else because of the “rules” they break while I am living with my partner even though we aren’t married lol.

        I see plenty of muslims who drink alcohol, listen to music, have premarital sex, use credit cards, smoke weed, smoke tobacco, wear gold, etc., but get butthurt at someone offering them pepperoni pizza lol.

        Idk, humans in general tend to rationalize their own sins while belittling others for whatever “sins” they commit. How many dudes named something like “Abdul Rahman Aziz Mohammed Al Mohtahab” are working for Lockheed Martin.

        I’ve ended relationships with a lot of Muslims who work in industries that manufacture death and destruction that target people in their home countries. Funny how all of them have conservative views when it comes to women or LGBT though. I’m sure God would send a profiteer of genocide to hell before a gay person but what do I know

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          Idk, humans in general tend to rationalize their own sins while belittling others for whatever “sins” they commit.

          A particularly keen observation.