There will be no magical discoveries religious people make anymore

I implore you to consider the fact that every living culture on this earth is still changing, evolving, and growing, and even some dead religions have been revived. And these religions have access to the scientific method just as you do.

So unless you mean to imply that science is finished making discoveries, which I’m certain you don’t, then religions will keep making discoveries. The Buddhists are still improving their meditation techniques. The Pacific islanders are still training to be better wayfarers. The Australian Aboriginals are learning to care for a land ravaged by climate change.

Religions as dead things written in an old book is a western idea and I fear you have projected this onto distinctly nonwestern religions where truth comes from a connection to the ancestors and the land, constantly evolving as the people and the land evolve. And to nonwestern religions where truth comes from exploration of the mind, and surely you can see the mind is a highly dynamic environment in the modern day, ripe for fresh discoveries.

If you insert science into religion, it’s still science

And all religions have science in them. Pacific Islanders know things about wayfaring and wave dynamics that physicists are just now discovering. Colonisers in Australia spoiled the environment by disregarding indigenous conservation practices. Buddhists have been teaching western psychologists about the uses of meditation for the past two decades. The Haudenosaunee taught Karl Marx’s friends about communism. Muslims were avoiding dangerous meats before germ theory was invented. For hundreds of years, westerners have dismissed religious knowledge and said oopsie when they later learned there was science inside the religion. I caution you not to make the same mistake.

I believe you think I called Trump oppressed. May I guess as to why? I think it’s because you’re of the opinion I simply must agree Trump has NPD, so if I call people with NPD oppressed, I am including Trump. But the only mental disorder I think Trump has is dementia. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a disorder. It disables or distresses the one who has it. Trump does not look disabled or distressed to me, so he does not have the disorder. I’m far more concerned about the innocent people you’re vilifying who have a disorder you’ve chosen to treat with hate. They’ve done nothing to harm you. Please, think about what Jesus would do. Love your neighbour instead. And then we can all team up and sacrifice the orange Antichrist on a pyre.

It’s an Antichrist worshipper’s fantasy of working for ICE

Well I will describe a religious belief I hold to you, and I’m eager to hear what you think of it.

Burning fossil fuels is a sin. We’re not supposed to dig them out of the ground and burn them. When fossil fuels are burned, they react and turn to greenhouse gases, which warm the planet and bring natural disasters. And because Elohim is a god of great wrath, the disasters do not just harm those who sinned, but everyone, and disproportionately the poorest who don’t have the resources to survive natural disaster. To find peace with the world around us, we must stop fossil fuel emissions and sacrifice our billionaires to Elohim upon a ritual pyre.

I’m sorry that the education system has failed you so.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief

1. a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership

2. something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time

3. conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.

Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.

I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.

I do understand that. Theism and atheism are pretty much perpendicular to the issue of religion. There are many theistic religions, many atheistic religions, many irreligious theistic beliefs, and many irreligious atheistic beliefs. Though fewer irreligious people on both sides of the theism debate than I think most are willing to admit. For example any atheist who watches Andrew Tate’s videos is not, I think, an atheist or irreligious.

So you’re saying all I have to do in order to be a successful scientist is solve mysteries and talk about science? Easy peasy!

I agree with you completely, Christianity is a disease on society. I am not a Christian. I consider Christianity to be a blatant heresy against our lord and saviour, Jesus Christ. I, like Jesus, believe in the principles of Judaism. You might say I’m part of the Jesus-worshipping Jewish cult. Paul is the inventor of Christianity, and his innovation was to twist Judaism to fit with Roman ideals. Elohim is the god to the oppressed, and Paul thought he could make Him god to the oppressors. It’s a paradox.

I am deeply opposed to Roman ideology. Did you know the Nazis considered themselves to be Romans? And now we have a Fourth Reich of the Roman Empire gathering strength in the west. All very Christian, of course. So I tell you truly that I think as poorly of Christianity as you do, because I am a follower of Christ.

I’m sorry, neighbour, autocorrect has caused me to mislead you. I meant to say the first commandment; thou shall not commit murder.

And if you found out the natives of the land you live on were teaching religion to their children, would you support the government kidnapping the children and putting them with white families to learn science and writing and “civilised manners”? That’s the kind of actual historical event I’m concerned about happening when religious knowledge is valued less than white people’s idea of academic knowledge.

I beg you to take a moment to understand and empathise with your neighbours. The Haudenosaunee, the Koori, the Maya, have done nothing to harm you.

And that’s what’s so arrogant and intolerant about the word allah. Every time it’s used, it’s a declaration that only one god exists. How can you love your neighbours if you attack their beliefs every time you pray? You can’t. Jesus wouldn’t want us saying such thoughtlessly mean-spirited things. He’d want Arabic speakers to say Elah instead.

I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.

For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.

Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.

And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.

And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you may end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously. The Lemmy developers are in a religion without knowing, it’s that easy.

I’m so very disappointed that our Muslim cousins have been lead towards such arrogance as to call our god Allah. It’s disrespectful and intolerant behaviour, and unchristlike.

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I’m disappointed you think that. I firmly believe there’s a religion for everyone on this planet. And that hatred of religion as a concept can easily lead to dismissing foreign cultures’ spiritual practices.

I sure hope this is how it works, because I haven’t been blessed with the patience to care about any of that. I want to solve mysteries.

We can pity him and be glad he’s dying at the same time. He will be burned away in Sheol, and if any good is left in him when the sin is cleansed, he may find his way to Heaven.

This is the will of Elohim. Peterson is a wicked man, and he’s being punished for his sins. He’s violated the first commandment far more often than most people. He does it for every meal.

Jordan Peterson lives a life of sin, and Elohim is punishing him for his wickedness.