What are you going to do when you want to reduce fossil fuels, the military, DHS, the police, protect lgbt rights, protect womens rights, tax the rich.

I already said we shouldn’t give into to their views. I said we should be willing to work with them specifically where they agree with us.

Each of those issues you mentioned could be their own nuanced discussions about how to get more people on board with us.

But take the military for example, conservative voters are already against the war in Iran. Which happened faster than any war in recent history. It took getting Bush out of office to get conservatives to turn on the war in Iraq. It took decades of work by the anti-war left to build that consensus and get people to see war is against their material interest. It is in few peoples interest to continue spending as much on the military as we do.

Progress can be made if people can see it is in their material interest to support progressive policy. I’ll say again this is why the new deal was successful. Take the win when we’ve won the issue. Why are we even debating whether or not we should win on an issue when we have the opportunity?

Ro Khanna got the Epstein Transparency act passed by working with Thomas Massie. Its not hard to imagine getting MTG (or even better her voters) on board with similarly populist bills given the rhetoric she has engaged in lately. (She has said even her kids can’t afford rent.)

We don’t want people like Liz Cheney who support the Iraq war. A war that even Donald Trump (rightly) said was idiotic. No one thinks the iraq war was a good idea, it doesn’t appeal to anyone to campaign along side the daughter of the architect of that war. It was an idiotic move by Kamala, one of many idiotic campaign decisions by Kamala that led to having Donald Trump as the president now.

We do want more people to support left wing populist policies. Such as medicare for all, free college, raising the minimum wage, lowering rent etc. If they support those policies and happen to be on the right, I’m happy to work with them on those specific policies. I’m even more happy if we can win over their voters by campaigning on left wing populist policies.

This is literally how the new deal coalition was built under FDR. Where FDR won like 48 states for over a decade.

Grimm is correct in his analysis. What don’t you understand about his point?

Ignore the 4 Virginians on the Virginia Supreme Court and listen to the 3 million Virginians that voted to defensively gerrymander to start with.

It’s what republicans would do if the shoe were on the other foot.

Conservative democrats go insane when we point out that Harris probably would have won if she would say she would stop funding a genocide and then act like all democrats can do when they have power is lie in their own chalk outline.

Seems like y’all are the ones who actually want republicans to win.

Nah… Nixon did the same thing with Vietnam and he famously was not a crook. [/s]

He’s responding to his mom on iMessage! Can you believe that shit? 😡

I’m not even US. I was poking fun at “We won’t let Democrats hold office until they apologise for genocide” by wondering whether you’d let Republicans hold office then, or whether they’d need to apologise too.

Oh I understand your confusion now. Let me clarify. We tankies only have the magical powers to control if democrats win office that conservative democrats think we have. We can’t control who actually wins. If a Green, PSL or, Republican candidate got enough votes there’s nothing us tankies could do. Sorry.

And don’t feel bad about your confusion, it’s a common misconception. Especially for someone not from the US, you must be unfamiliar with US politics and culture. Everyone in America knows about this, it’s just like the three shells.

Me not begging you for forgiveness for a party’s policies means I want the other party to win? That’s one hell of a false equivalence.

You not groveling will probably be fine… probably. You’re not from the US as we’ve already established. But if you were a conservative American democrat that wanted democrats to win, the tankies have already decided that if they don’t see groveling they won’t use their democrats winning power. I’m sorry that’s all I can divulge from the tankie meeting at this time. But just know we have greater considerations for our choices.

I personally was an advocate for the democrats winning in the last meeting but I’m just one tankie.

No. Abraham Lincoln was the last republican us tankies voted for. We don’t normally vote republican.

But that doesn’t sound like groveling to me. So I guess you do want republicans to win. Which is a shame, becuase I really wanted democrats to win and was going to vote for them. But since you’re not groveling I can’t.

But it makes sense, Trump is attacking our ‘greatest adversary’ ensuring we have ‘the most lethal fighting force in the world’ and continuing the genocide. So you’re getting what you voted for either way.

But the all powerful tankies have made our decision and there was nothing the poor, powerless, helpless president of the United States, Joe Biden or his VP could have done. They couldn’t have stopped the funding for the genocide, Kamala couldn’t have run on popular polices like Medicare for all or against militarism. The democrats were just poor little guys, helpless to stop the all-powerful tankies. Muahahaha

I’ll never understand why anyone would vote for someone who supports republican/Trump policies… SAD :(

Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?

No. Since we hold all the cards and the democrats can’t win without us. We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.

If you really support the democrats you should be groveling for forgiveness in your response. If you refuse, I’ll be bringing that up at the next tankie meeting.

I’m skeptical that China would retaliate. They laid an entire U.S. electricity grid of renewables last year. I feel like they would just let oil prices go to the moon, double down on renewable energy and watch as every other world power comes to them begging for solar panels and cheap electric vehicles.

Just let me enjoy one thing.

I would but I don’t know how to remove the third demension from my heavy disks. :(

No, he was referring to Zach Braff’s character from Scrubs.

Right, but the 20 billion calories in yellow cake uranium goes straight to my thighs.

Ahh… so the Unix socks people. Glad we could clear up that ambiguity.

These are the rumored specs according to moore’s law is dead. Of course things could change or he could have gotten misinformation.

Next-gen consoles are rumored to be around a 5080 in terms of performance. With 32GB of unified ram, $1000 would be a good deal for that level of performance. If Microsoft added the ability to run windows on it, that would be a pretty compelling package.

Hopefully things will get better, but with ram prices where they are the steam machine would probably need to be $900 if it launched today without being subsidized by valve and is around the performance of a base PS5.

I hate to say it but consoles may be the better deal next-gen.

The best comparison is probably the “Biden is the most electable candidate” narrative from the 2020 primary.

Millions of people still don’t have healthcare under the ACA.

The ACA was based on a healthcare bill by Mitt Romney.

You’re literally using a republican bill passed by democrats as evidence for the parties not being the same.

Things can go either way. Canada can be moving away from the NDP; England is moving away from their 2 entrenched party. To cover your eyes and say FPTP makes things we literally have historical examples of impossible because it’s inconvenient is simply ignoring reality.

Yes FPTP does make it harder and we should end FPTP, but it is possible. Especially when both of the 2 major parties are refusing to address massively consequential issues such as healthcare and the military industrial complex.