Arthur Besse
cultural reviewer and dabbler in stylistic premonitions
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archive.is can be very irritating but sadly it is one of the only things which can archive some sites, such as this one.
i usually access it using tor browser, which almost always works (though often it requires clicking “new tor circuit for this site” a few times).
in this case the original archived URL is https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/ which maybe you can access without an archive? (i can’t access reuters through my VPN or Tor, afaict. and archive.org has 100 captures of that particular article but i think all are just blank pages because Thomson Reuters doesn’t want people reading their content anonymously.)
here is a copy-paste of the article text (from archive.is):
Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
By Joel Schectman and Christopher Bing
March 14, 2024 4:18 PM UTC · Updated 42 min ago
Former U.S. President Trump hosts a campaign rally, in Rome, Georgia Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. President Donald Trump hosts a campaign rally at the Forum River Center in Rome, Georgia, U.S. March 9, 2024. REUTERS/Alyssa Pointer/File Photo Purchase Licensing Rights
WASHINGTON, March 14 - Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the highly classified operation.
Three former officials told Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi Jinping’s government while leaking disparaging intelligence to overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been previously reported.
During the past decade, China has rapidly expanded its global footprint, forging military pacts, trade deals, and business partnerships with developing nations.
The CIA team promoted allegations that members of the ruling Communist Party were hiding ill-gotten money overseas and slammed as corrupt and wasteful China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which provides financing for infrastructure projects in the developing world, the sources told Reuters.
Although the U.S. officials declined to provide specific details of these operations, they said the disparaging narratives were based in fact despite being secretly released by intelligence operatives under false cover. The efforts within China were intended to foment paranoia among top leaders there, forcing its government to expend resources chasing intrusions into Beijing’s tightly controlled internet, two former officials said. “We wanted them chasing ghosts,” one of these former officials said.
Chelsea Robinson, a CIA spokesperson, declined to comment on the existence of the influence program, its goals or impacts.
A spokesperson for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said news of the CIA initiative shows the U.S. government uses the “public opinion space and media platforms as weapons to spread false information and manipulate international public opinion.”
The CIA operation came in response to years of aggressive covert efforts by China aimed at increasing its global influence, the sources said. During his presidency, Trump pushed a tougher response to China than had his predecessors. The CIA’s campaign signaled a return to methods that marked Washington’s struggle with the former Soviet Union. “The Cold War is back,” said Tim Weiner, author of a book on the history of political warfare. Reuters was unable to determine the impact of the secret operations or whether the administration of President Joe Biden has maintained the CIA program. Kate Waters, a spokesperson for the Biden administration’s National Security Council, declined to comment on the program’s existence or whether it remains active. Two intelligence historians told Reuters that when the White House grants the CIA covert action authority, through an order known as a presidential finding, it often remains in place across administrations.
Trump, now the Republican frontrunner for president, has suggested he will take an even tougher approach toward China if re-elected president in November. Spokespeople for Trump and his former national security advisers, John Bolton and Robert O’Brien, who both served the year the covert action order was signed, declined to comment.
The operation against Beijing came with significant risk of escalating tensions with the United States, given the power of China’s economy and its ability to retaliate through trade, said Paul Heer, a former senior CIA analyst on East Asia who learned of the presidential authorization from Reuters. For example, after Australia called for an investigation inside China probing the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, Beijing blocked billions of dollars in Australian trade through agricultural tariffs.
Trump’s 2019 order came after years of warnings from the U.S. intelligence community, and media reports, about how China was using bribery and threats to obtain support from developing countries in geopolitical disputes as it attempted to sow division in the United States through front groups.
China’s Foreign Ministry said Beijing follows a “principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries and does not interfere in the domestic affairs of the United States.”
A year earlier, Trump gave the CIA greater powers to launch offensive cyber operations against U.S. adversaries after numerous Russian and Chinese cyber attacks against American organizations, Yahoo News reported. Reuters could not independently confirm the existence of the earlier order.
Sources described the 2019 authorization uncovered by Reuters as a more ambitious operation. It enabled the CIA to take action not only in China but also in countries around the world where the United States and China are competing for influence. Four former officials said the operation targeted public opinion in Southeast Asia, Africa and the South Pacific.
“The feeling was China was coming at us with steel baseball bats and we were fighting back with wooden ones,” said a former national security official with direct knowledge of the finding.
Matt Pottinger, a senior National Security Council official at the time, crafted the authorization, three former officials said. It cited Beijing’s alleged use of malign influence, allegations of intellectual property theft and military expansion as threats to U.S. national security, one of those former officials said.
Pottinger told Reuters he would not comment on the “accuracy or inaccuracy of allegations about U.S. intelligence activities,” adding that “it would be incorrect to assume that I would have had knowledge of specific U.S. intelligence operations.”
Covert messaging allows the United States to implant ideas in countries where censorship might prevent that information from coming to light, or in areas where audiences wouldn’t give much credence to U.S. government statements, said Loch Johnson, a University of Georgia political scientist who studies the use of such tactics.
Covert propaganda campaigns were common during the Cold War, when the CIA planted 80 to 90 articles a day in an effort to undermine the Soviet Union, Johnson said. In the 1950s, for example, the CIA created an astrological magazine in East Germany to publish foreboding predictions about communist leaders, according to declassified records. The covert propaganda campaign against Beijing could backfire, said Heer, the former CIA analyst. China could use evidence of a CIA influence program to bolster its decades-old accusations of shadowy Western subversion, helping Beijing “proselytize” in a developing world already deeply suspicious of Washington.
The message would be: “‘Look at the United States intervening in the internal affairs of other countries and rejecting the principles of peaceful coexistence,’” Heer said. “And there are places in the world where that is going to be a resonant message.”
U.S. influence operations also risk endangering dissidents, opposition groups critical of China and independent journalists, who could be falsely painted as CIA assets, said Thomas Rid, a professor at Johns Hopkins University who wrote a book on the history of political warfare.
Schectman and Bing reported from Washington. Additional reporting by Liz Lee in Beijing. Editing by Don Durfee and Blake Morrison.
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlMto
Linux@lemmy.ml•Rust Coreutils cp Ended Up Breaking Ubuntu Image Builds With Latest IncompatibilityEnglish
4·8 days agoBut why rewrite programs that existed for decades and have proven their stability and safety? Rewriting them to Rust won’t make them safer, it will just introduce the kind of issues original versions have got fixed long ago.
Of course rewriting them will introduce some new issues, but it will also eliminate classes of bugs from which there are definitely still a great many in old “stable” C code (bugs which are now being discovered and will presumably continue to be discovered at a much faster pace due to LLMs).
The whole project is about abolishing GPL. And Rust is just an excuse.
I don’t think it is just an excuse; I believe that improving security is also a goal… but removing GPL code is clearly also part of their motivation :(
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlMto
Linux@lemmy.ml•Rust Coreutils cp Ended Up Breaking Ubuntu Image Builds With Latest IncompatibilityEnglish
2·6 days agoNo, it is not a good time. A project like Ubuntu should now be in freeze as they had about 3 months before release

This bug was reported (and resolved by rolling back to the GNU coreutils version of
cp) on June 30, a little over 15 weeks prior to the scheduled release date.Which distros have a feature freeze that far in advance?
Ubuntu hasn’t even scheduled theirs for this release yet; if you edit that url to look at previous releases’ schedules you can see their feature freeze and debian import freezes are typically about 2 months prior to release. (See here for descriptions of all of the different types of freezes…)
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlMto
Linux@lemmy.ml•Rust Coreutils cp Ended Up Breaking Ubuntu Image Builds With Latest IncompatibilityEnglish
65·10 days agoWhat an absolute shitshow
I’d say the month of June is actually a good time to be breaking and fixing things in a release that is due to come out in (checks notes) October.
i doubt they’re gonna start putting cane sugar in us coke again
last july trump did actually say coca-cola would be switching to real sugar; after initially declining to confirm anything coca-cola said they would make coke with real sugar available alongside HFCS coke… which apparently happened in october in “select U.S. markets”:
Coca-Cola Company’s Chief Financial Officer John Murphy said during an interview with Bloomberg on Tuesday, Oct. 21, that supply chain challenges are limiting the rollout.
"It’s going to be a measured roll-out,” Murphy told Bloomberg. “There is only a certain amount of cane sugar available in the United States.”
the margin between leave and remain being a bit higher among voters who have since died than it was during the referendum a decade ago isn’t really surprising at all, it just reflects the fact that leave voters skewed older.
also “excluding don’t know” for both sides of the graph makes no sense; there should be a “didn’t vote” category on the left and a “not sure” category on the right.
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
Chapotraphouse@hexbear.net•b-b-but in north korea all the maps only have korea and the people don't know about the world!!English
7·19 days agothe
pirate-jamminemoji indicates OP is referring to piracy (of the copyright infringement variety)
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlOPto
Wikipedia@lemmy.world•Stream capture (also known as *stream piracy*, not a good alternative to bittorrent)English
52·21 days agoWhat? Is there some explanation missing here?
explanation (click to expand)
this post links to the wikipedia article “stream capture” (which the article says is also called stream piracy).
the article is about fluvial geomorphology.
the title i chose for it (“Stream capture, also known as stream piracy, is not a good alternative to bittorrent”) is a joke, premised on the fact that the terms “stream capture” and “stream piracy” can also refer to ripping (aka capture, a technique which can be used for piracy) of streaming media.
BitTorrent is a popular protocol often used for pirating media. In truth, capturing (video) streams is an alternative to using BitTorrent for piracy, but the quality of media one can find on BitTorrent is often much higher than what one can find on streaming sites. So, many discerning pirates would agree with the statement in the post title. However (in my opinion, at least) the incongruous subject of the linked article makes this funny.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_humor#Incongruity_theory for more information.
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlOPto
Wikipedia@lemmy.world•Stream capture (also known as *stream piracy*, not a good alternative to bittorrent)English
83·21 days agowhoosh
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlOPto
Late Stage Capitalism@lemmygrad.ml•Google will make you wave at your computer to check you are realEnglish
11·21 days agogetting into the territory of Sony’s famous patent “System for converting television commercials into interactive networked video games”

Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
Political Memes@lemmy.world•are the antifa peptides in the room with us now ?English
11·22 days agobtw OP’s image is a screenshot of (a small excerpt of) this tweet https://xcancel.com/mcafeenew/status/2068794859251441912 and also, fyi:


Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
New Communities@lemmy.world•Chess - since the existing commuity seems dead and hosted on .mlEnglish
11·22 days agoThis is offtopic here, but here is an answer 🙄 (click to expand)
why do you stand against Telegram as a secure and optimal solution for the majority
Because it isn’t secure. It is marketed as being secure, and it is not. It is snake oil.
Just to clarify, are you aware Telegram is blocked in Russia by the government
yes, i am aware that they are (again) currently blocked. i’m curious your theory for why they were unblocked after the previous blocks? (note: please don’t actually reply to this question here; see end of this comment first)
mostly because the former does not want to share data with the government standing for the privacy, if I am not mistaken?
yes, you are mistaken.
Russia has strengthened and later weakened their restrictions on Telegram various times over the years for reasons which are probably unknowable without insider information. What is clear is that Telegram is absolutely sharing data (which they’ve chosen to design their service such that they can have access to) with various governments at various times; assuming that they never would share any with Russia is nonsensical. The extent to which they willingly share which data with which governments, versus which governments access data without their cooperation (by compromising their servers or coercing their engineers, which gives access to message contents due to their lack of e2ee) is not particularly interesting.
Beyond that, I recommend that you post on !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world or somewhere similar if you need people to explain why telegram is offtopic in communities about privacy technology. (This discussion is very offtopic in this thread so I won’t reply further here. If you really feel the need to argue about the above I recommend you do it in a new thread somewhere it isn’t offtopic; if you tag me maybe i’ll reply there.)
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
New Communities@lemmy.world•Chess - since the existing commuity seems dead and hosted on .mlEnglish
41·22 days agoAnd I never got the actual reason
imo the reason is pretty clear in the modlog you’re linking to. the ban duration was disproportionate though, so, i just unbanned you. (please do not advocate for the use of telegram in !privacy@lemmy.ml though! lmao)
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
New Communities@lemmy.world•Chess - since the existing commuity seems dead and hosted on .mlEnglish
71·22 days agoThis led to a few larger instances blocking it (.world I think is the kargst to have done so) blocking it, so their users cannot access *.ml communities.
Huh? Lemmy.world has not blocked lemmy.ml, nor have (correct me if i’m wrong?) any other large instances.
Here is this very comment from me (on lemmy.ml) viewable on lemmy.world, btw.
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
New Communities@lemmy.world•Chess - since the existing commuity seems dead and hosted on .mlEnglish
91·22 days agoThe existing chess community on lemmy.ml/c/chess seems to be dead
it looks like !chess@lemmy.ml is averaging a few posts per month this year and has 2.4k subscribers; not very active but i wouldn’t call it dead.
moderators are not reachable
the mods do seem inactive; i and other lemmy.ml admins remove spam if/when it gets reported (which has happened four times this year). if someone (with some posting history) wants to be added as a mod of it just let me know and i’ll add you.
and is hosted on .ml which is defederated by many instances
huh? which instances have defederated lemmy.ml?
Arthur Besse@lemmy.mlto
Not The Onion@lemmy.world•Turns Out, There Really Is a Cabal of Elite Crazies Trying to Control the WorldEnglish
30·22 days agoThe retreat is scheduled for August 12–16 at a venue near Dublin, Ireland.
The original version of the source article identified the location as the Powerscourt Hotel; in an act of journalistic cowardice (to be expected from a Condé Nast Publication) Wired later edited their article to remove that detail “to address a security concern raised by a Dialog representative”.
Esquire is unsurprisingly sticking with Wired’s “near Dublin” description of the location, but fortunately it looks like some Irish media outlets (eg this and this) are reporting where it actually is so hopefully there will be some local opposition present.


























Their certificate was revoked (by their certificate authority, Actalis, part of the Aruba Group) on July 6. Presumably the CA was pressured to revoke it by the Italian and/or US government, and they will get a new certificate from someone else soon.
There is a hexbear thread here about it; afaict there doesn’t appear to yet be any reporting about it. But in the CRL you can see it was revoked July 6:
$ curl -s http://crl15.actalis.it/Repository/tls-subca-rsa-dv-2025/getLastCRL | openssl crl -noout -text |grep -A 4 02295E6BB25717C4652321F4ED9D2B29 Serial Number: 02295E6BB25717C4652321F4ED9D2B29 Revocation Date: Jul 6 13:54:09 2026 GMT CRL entry extensions: X509v3 CRL Reason Code: Privilege WithdrawnThe reason “Privilege Withdrawn” means it was the CA’s decision rather than their own.
Because certificate revocation has never worked very well, many people can still access it (until their browser fetches the certificate revocation list, or checks OCSP, does some newfangled proprietary other thing i don’t understand…).