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  • The Danish opt out is not a precedent, it was grandfathered in when the 1992 Maastricht treaty was signed. The same treaty requires all new members to eventually join the euro once the convergence criteria are satisfied.

    And chill it with the propaganda accusations. Some times people actually know what they’re talking about and poisoning the conversation with bad faith accusations of some hidden propaganda agenda is just fucking toxic.

    I don’t need “identity” issues to argue against the EU. My actual deepest objections stem from the State Aid EU rules that make democratic socialist policies impossible. I just voted for Avi Lewis to lead the NDP and his public option policy proposals are literally illegal in the EU framework. That’s my actual argument against joining a constitutionally neoliberal economic bloc. If the EU tomorrow abolished those rules I would have less of a problem.

    Edit: the Euro and the SGP are also problems. Even Trudeau’s moderate deficits would have not been allowed under the SGP. And pegging to the Euro doesn’t make that much sense either, especially when we have Dutch disease in Alberta and we’re generally a materials exporter. My disagreement is economic not identitarian. I’m a dual EU citizen for fucks sake.





  • We should develop much closer commercial and other ties (eg regulatory) with the EU but Canada should not outright join. We don’t need the Euro and we don’t need the European Stability and Growth Pact. Lower as many barriers, but we have to keep control of our basic economic policy levers.

    Edit: by the way, after looking it up, I’m finding that EU rules about “State Aid” would make the new NDP platform (Avi Lewis campaigned on public options and Crown corporations for various sectors, and buy-canadian rules to protect workers during the green transition) infeasible. So… no, I’m not interested in joining an economic bloc that makes democratic socialism functionally impossible.












  • You sidestep everything else (so, do you retract the assumption of a gotcha?) which is … moving the goalposts fallacy.

    But let’s talk about the new goalposts. I did not set up the “test” in the first place. In the first place was a cheap moralistic finger wagging point about the tired cliché regarding supposed single issue voters refusing to back Harris. My “test” was precisely challenging the cheapness of that moralistic finger wagging.

    So no, I didn’t do anything “in the first place”.

    Any more bad faith one liner comebacks?