• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
    82·
    12 days ago

    You can’t eliminate power structures. You can eliminate existing power structures, but all you’ve accomplished is removing checks on new upstart power structures: warlords, mafiosos, charismatic demagogues.

    All power ultimately rests upon the threat of violence. Eliminate the state’s monopoly on “legitimate” violence, and you find yourself under the dominion of those who have the savvy to concentrate forces of illegitimate violence.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say we can never reach sustainable anarcho-communism, but it’s not something we’ll see in our lifetimes. Premature attempts are going to result in “anarcho”-capitalistic neofeudalism.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        25·
        12 days ago

        You can try and you should. But every structure is exploitable. Give it long enough and people will figure out how to unflatten any structure. The US system was extremely flat compared to the monarchy.

        • cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          35·
          12 days ago

          not perfect! Invalid! This shitty thing was an improvement 300 years ago so we shouldn’t ever try to make anything better!

          compared to the monarchy, the united states

          Get America’s cock out of your mouth before speaking to me in the future. Maybe read a history book.

          The american revolution wasn’t about rejection of the monarchy, it was a rejection of the parliament. I don’t want to hear your opinion on this. You’ve convinced me that sone people, or at least you, are not informed enough to represent your own interests. Sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and be ready to fall in line when the adults come to something approximating a consensus, as you believe we all should.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
            22·
            12 days ago

            So then you agree that direct democracy isn’t perfect, because there are people who can’t represent their best interests?

            • cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              34·
              12 days ago

              Ive already asked to disengage with your bad faith fantasy just-so stories, leveraging shit proven untrue all over the world every day to ‘argue against’ societies that youre just imagining the flaws of based on the shit you see worse of ever day right now, assuming you’ve ever been outside¹. Please fuck off. I’m not interested in speaking to you.

              ¹admittedly not likely

    • Smookey4444@anarchist.nexusEnglish
      1·
      11 days ago

      Power structures can absolutely be eliminated. By taking away the ability for anyone to carry out the threat of violence, and removing harmful institutions like the state and capitalism

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        11 days ago

        How exactly do you take away the ability for anyone to carry out violence? How do you take away my ability to punch you? To beat you with a steel pipe? To get my friends together to beat you to a pulp?

        Literally, I’m curious. How do you take those abilities away?

        • Smookey4444@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          You could start by trying to resolve any conflict that would lead to that in the first place. But if you mean do it just because you feel like it then the community could require you to make reparations or something like that. If that still didn’t work you could be kicked out of the community

              • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                4 days ago

                Until the first person realizes that if they can sway 51% of the community, they can oppress the other 49%. Technically everyone has an equal vote, but one person definitely wields more power. It’s just mob rule, whoever is most persuasive is in charge.