I never thought to emulate the switch until they killed the first emulator. Now I download the latest emu and roms nearly every month. Fuck Nintendo.
Yeah me too, i used to stick to the classics, gba and all but after they took down yuzu and eden became a thing i started using it
Funny, here I am still using Yuzu
Still seeding it. Build: 4176
Stats:
Size: 936,5 MB
Upload: 37,6 GB
RarioRatio: 41,117:)
It’s-a-me, Rario!
nintendo got L + Rario’d
Legendary ratio.
Oh you’re using the comma as a decimal point… Still pretty good.
fun fact, most of the globe uses comma, anglophone sphere and china are the few ones using period for it
I got so used to using periods that I had to specify that I was using period as a decimal seperator in math exercises because here where I live it is uses comma
Close enough lol
I love when this shit happens and it’s like oh, not the one I know about that literally has torrents bundling single games on pc to one click run the games lol
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn’t be able to win in court.
All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).
So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.
However
Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.
So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.
Or move to i2p so they can’t disable you lol.
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damage
Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?
From the article;
Nintendo’s suit also claims Yuzu’s Patreon page allows its developers to earn 30,000 a month by providing subscribers with “daily updates,” “early access,” and “special unreleased features” to games like Tears of the Kingdom by circumventing the protective measures Nintendo has in place to prevent piracy of video games.
I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?
Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.
Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.
Actually now that I think about it, I’m pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.
You needed to acquire encryption keys for both Ryujinx and Yuzu.
Yuzu just requested money and put features behind a donator paywallwhich is how they killed Ryujinx.
Plus sending goons to his house.
Allegedly.
pokemon cards alone accounts for billions in profit/revenue. they have plenty of money.
I thought Yuzu also didn’t include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?
The emulator didn’t, but I think they had one somewhere in their git history or website.
I forgot now, but I vaguely remember Nintendo pointing out a specific key that was found under the parent company’s assets.
Could be wrong though, maybe they really did just get screwed over
probably not the git history, because if it was then that woould still be present across forks
Emulation isn’t protected.
That was the use of emulators in advertising to show performance differences.
It does not protect emulation as the company went bankrupt before that could be decided.
Granted I’m not deep diving into sources, but
a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony’s PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.
Unless I’m illiterate, isn’t that stating that even the sale of an emulator is protected?
Someone corrected me, different case than the one people usually source.
No that’s was the second lawsuit, Sony v Bleem!, which was a different emulator.
Meh, emulate it and get better frame rates and higher resolution.
Why would I buy a console that plays the game at an inferior state?
Nintendo is free at any time to release their games on Steam or even their own PC storefront and if I could play it with my hardware then I’d buy most games at full price.
Until then, nah I’m good.
Agree, as long as we are forced to bullshit, I’ll just keep my hands dirty.
God I would play all the Zelda games I missed not hassling with their consoles if they put them on Steam. Last Nintendo Console I owned was Wii.
This won’t fix your slumping sales Nintendo
Eden’s primary git repo is self-hosted. This doesn’t affect them at all.
Nintendo’s lawyers have reach beyond github. They only need to chat with your hosting company or nameserver.
There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don’t give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.
In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.
Now that, im excited about 100%
Sure, but since the project itself is not illegal, they could just keep mirroring it and even throw it up on a .onion site or an I2P eepsite.
Do yo know which is the official website and repository? When I search different results popup and I don’t know which is original.
I was considering a Switch 2 but now… not so much.
Just wait until an emulator for switch 2. Then don’t buy it.
I hate our timeline so much man…
it won’t fix itself. So let’s get to demolishing.
Fuck Nintendo. Don’t buy their shit.
At least on Android emulating your Steam library has become pretty good. A couple more years at this rate and any phone with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or better processor and you’re good to play most games that would run on a Switch and more anyways
Switch emulation on PC is already great anyways. Getting there on Android. Sucks that progress has slowed down because of Nintendo takedowns
How do you emulate it? Need to root it?
Gamehub, GameNative, Winlator
Gamehub is the most streamlined. As long as you have a recent as of the last like 3 years flagship snapdragon phone, you can emulate PC games pretty well. No root. Uses FEX, WINE, DXVK, etc. Pretty much the same software used for playing windows games on desktop linux
Thanks, this sounds really interesting!
I don’t understand. How will Nintendo shut down an emulator? does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?
does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?
Not at all. Not even for online multiplayer, I remember Yuzu had some way to play multiplayer (there’s even a whole discord server for this).
I think Nintendo is trying to scare everyone by trying to take everything down and sue. But we have seen that it does not work, it’ll just split the base once again in multiple fragments (with different emulators).
Though, it feels like the development of Switch emulation has stagnated. I don’t see improvements for current games that have trouble running on the emulators (which often both original Yuzu and Ryujinx would fix by time).
If you read the article they speculate it’s to slow down the development of a Switch 2 emulator.
Good to know, will get them now
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Fuck Nintendo.
Fuck Nintendo’s lawyers
FTFY
They still make banger games and consoles.
Who do you think they work for
It must be someone who doesn’t understand the situation. Surely not Nintendo. My parasocial relationship with that company tells me they’re swell!
Lick more boots
You could say “I wish their executives loved games as much as their developers and artists” or lament that they’re tied to such a cutthroat corporate machine or something. You do know you can express a more nuanced idea than “FUCK X THING” without kowtowing to some of the most high profile corporate bullshit out there, right
Open source is hard to kill off forever. Someone, somewhere is gonna have the repo.
Getting it off GitHub is usually enough to effectively kill it.
Self-hosted gits in a country that doesn’t care are becoming popular.
What makes you say that? Probably 95% of FOSS projects I see are still hosted on GH.
I should clarify, self hosted Gits for projects that may fall under targeted harassment by corporations (Eaglercraft, Switch Emulators, etc…) are becoming popular.
Ryujinx, operating out of Brazil, couldn’t be taken to court by Nintendo. So a lot of projects that could have Nintendo’s eye of sauron on them are looking for a safe country and self hosting as guaranteed insurance from a Yuzu situation.
Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber in that regard
Oh, github, a division of MicroSlop?
There are alternatives, which will become more popular as it becomes more and more obvious that they are just part of the US national ‘security’ apparatus.
No, I meant GoodHank. The younger, better version of Hank Hill.
Maybe 95% of your FOSS projects aren’t “free” enough ;o
They’re not XD
Primary hosting, but they can always have a fallback for at-risk projects or even just use p2p. Of course that already increases the risk of a potentially hacked provider/repo or just fake/malware versions in the wild
I personally got ahold of the final version of the source code to Ryujinx after it was pulled from GitHub and put it on archive.org and I’m literally a random nobody who had nothing to do with the project so you are very incorrect. It was almost immediately picked up by other developers and is still seeing development to this day
Oh well if you archived it then its not dead!
Naa most projects are still fine off github. Theres a couple of emus that are now officially off gh and they are still being worked on.
They’ll need to proactively clone it to a non-github repos before its shutdown.
Doesn’t matter if they clone it or not.
Why? Why is it harder to get it from codeberg or even self hosted forges?
It’s not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github
It’s not harder to get it from there, it’s harder to get contributors.
It’s not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github
They absolutely do, that’s why devs are always begging for “stars”.
Until someone puts it back…
And it will still not improve the sales of the Switch 2.
Isn’t it selling well?
Unfortunately, yes. They outsold switch 1 by about 2 mil so far in it’s first year and there’s still a few months to go. I will eventually get one I’m sure, but probably second hand.
Honestly, it could hurt it sales a lot. Historically, a lot of successful Nintendo systems had backwards comparability as a major selling point.
I don’t understand your point. How is blocking emus ruining the Switch 2’s backward compatibility?
I’m saying that blocking backwards comparability can hurt sales, not the other way around. If the Switch 2 can run GBA or DS game, it’d be a huge selling point.
Oh ok, so not really relevant to the anti-emu topic—but I totally agree with your point. Imagine if they released an attachment that let you assemble the joycons and the screen in a vertical position for DS games? If they have the google thing for Virtual Boy, I don’t see how they couldn’t make this possible. In the meantime, I play GBA to 3DS games on my hacked 3DS.
I mean, wasn’t switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?
I mean, wasn’t switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?
No, the fastest selling NINTENDO console (IIRC)
I think I was misremembering a few recent milestones actually. The Switch recently overtook DS to become Nintendo’s best overall selling, while Switch 2 has already sold more than WiiU.
Selling more than the WiiU is a very low bar.
My grandparents gave away all my wii motion plus and to rub salt in the wound my wii u just kicked the bucket. It was the greatest retro nintendo emulator 🫡
Agreed but it’s still remarkable given the time frame.
