Not that I’m aware of. In real life I know people who have been accused with no history also. It was proven true.
Not all accusations are true, but part of the lessons of #metoo was to believe the victims of sexual assault. Also, the abundance of literature on the subject. Sure, it could be a false accusation, so we shouldn’t condemn him without investigation or trial bittnhats why there should be one.
Miatrials in the case of sexual assault just leaves an open question for both the accuser and accused. In some instances, a civil case is taken when the criminal case falls apart. Often the problem is it’s just a he said, she said situation.
So, I believe her but also don’t hold him accountable, if that makes sense. Absolutely, he should be held to account. That’s my point. He hasn’t been and there are questions about her not proceeding, that we don’t know the answer to.
All of that is well trodden ground. But we are still left with the big problem of giving carte blanche to accusations, like we’ve been through with the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism-- when you give the power to destroy someone’s reputation with an accusation alone, and the accusation is left there doing damage and is never followed up on, what kind of justice can you really have? Because 999 sexual assault accusations can be true and there can still be that one where you just have a crazy evil person taking advantage of that carte blanche.
Remember the lady who said that Biden tried to rape her in the hallway of Congress? And then she went on to write blog essays about how sexy she found Vladimir Putin? You still have people saying that Biden should be held to account for that ridiculous bullshit, some simply because they’re terrified to be seen as refusing to believe women “no matter what” the circumstances.
And I’m not suggesting anything like a return to the days of putting victims on trial, but accusations need to be able to sustain at least more weight than tissue paper before we casually destroy lives just so we can say we believed women.
Doesn’t seem like his life is destroyed. It also seems like most people were unaware. I agree, in principle though. We should find that middle ground. The middle ground involves believing the victim and investigating.
The whole purpose of procedural fairness in trials os to protect the innocent against accusations. In sexual assault, it seems that the concept of procedural fairness is overriding it’s purpose of protecting the accused.
Is Diesel’s life destroyed? No, but the amount of the damage is not the point, is it? It is now a millstone around his neck and there are certain people who will absolutely not work with the guy because those accusations are out there. Is he doing fine even so? Sure. But that doesn’t mean that he should be stuck with that taint if these accusations are false.
Now I’m not saying they are for sure, but all too often these accusations are thrown out there and they are left as just that. And now we’re in a situation where our friend above who posted the Vin Diesel link, just throws it out there like “oh well there’s a problem with Vin Diesel”, when we really don’t know if there is or not. He’s been judged, and he has no opportunity or even means to prove his innocence-- I mean you can’t prove a negative anyway, and we’re all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But all too often these days in discussions like this somebody pops up and says “oh well so and so has a problem”, and we all convict the guy in our minds, and it doesn’t matter whether the accusation holds water at all.
Not that I’m aware of. In real life I know people who have been accused with no history also. It was proven true.
Not all accusations are true, but part of the lessons of #metoo was to believe the victims of sexual assault. Also, the abundance of literature on the subject. Sure, it could be a false accusation, so we shouldn’t condemn him without investigation or trial bittnhats why there should be one.
Miatrials in the case of sexual assault just leaves an open question for both the accuser and accused. In some instances, a civil case is taken when the criminal case falls apart. Often the problem is it’s just a he said, she said situation.
So, I believe her but also don’t hold him accountable, if that makes sense. Absolutely, he should be held to account. That’s my point. He hasn’t been and there are questions about her not proceeding, that we don’t know the answer to.
All of that is well trodden ground. But we are still left with the big problem of giving carte blanche to accusations, like we’ve been through with the Salem witch trials and McCarthyism-- when you give the power to destroy someone’s reputation with an accusation alone, and the accusation is left there doing damage and is never followed up on, what kind of justice can you really have? Because 999 sexual assault accusations can be true and there can still be that one where you just have a crazy evil person taking advantage of that carte blanche.
Remember the lady who said that Biden tried to rape her in the hallway of Congress? And then she went on to write blog essays about how sexy she found Vladimir Putin? You still have people saying that Biden should be held to account for that ridiculous bullshit, some simply because they’re terrified to be seen as refusing to believe women “no matter what” the circumstances.
And I’m not suggesting anything like a return to the days of putting victims on trial, but accusations need to be able to sustain at least more weight than tissue paper before we casually destroy lives just so we can say we believed women.
Doesn’t seem like his life is destroyed. It also seems like most people were unaware. I agree, in principle though. We should find that middle ground. The middle ground involves believing the victim and investigating.
The whole purpose of procedural fairness in trials os to protect the innocent against accusations. In sexual assault, it seems that the concept of procedural fairness is overriding it’s purpose of protecting the accused.
Is Diesel’s life destroyed? No, but the amount of the damage is not the point, is it? It is now a millstone around his neck and there are certain people who will absolutely not work with the guy because those accusations are out there. Is he doing fine even so? Sure. But that doesn’t mean that he should be stuck with that taint if these accusations are false.
Now I’m not saying they are for sure, but all too often these accusations are thrown out there and they are left as just that. And now we’re in a situation where our friend above who posted the Vin Diesel link, just throws it out there like “oh well there’s a problem with Vin Diesel”, when we really don’t know if there is or not. He’s been judged, and he has no opportunity or even means to prove his innocence-- I mean you can’t prove a negative anyway, and we’re all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But all too often these days in discussions like this somebody pops up and says “oh well so and so has a problem”, and we all convict the guy in our minds, and it doesn’t matter whether the accusation holds water at all.