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- politics@lemmy.world
- i_r@thelemmy.club
Last month, Trump said Orbán had his “complete and total support” in a video message to the Hungarian Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Budapest.
On Sunday Orbán faces Péter Magyar, a former insider in the prime minister’s Fidesz party, who broke with him two years ago to found the centre-right Tisza party.
Tisza leads Fidesz by between 10% and 20% in most polls. Only the strongly pro-government Nézőpont agency puts Fidesz narrowly ahead.
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And the first thing he complains about is foreign interference…
They are fascists. They have quite clearly stated that the same rules should not apply to them, as they apply to others. That is literally what “America First” mean, as they have clearly stated. You can scream “hypocrisy” at them until you are blue in the face, and they will sremoved and think you are stupid.
All this means is Orban is for sale, fuck Hungarians if they fall for this shit. Talk to Argentina and how Milei has fucked them.
How do conservatives in America not put all the puzzle pieces together?
Orban says he will be a servant to Russia
JD Vance serves OrbanRussia is giving intelligence to Iran, attacking Ukraine.
Like come on people, do I need to make a flow chart for the dum dums in the back?
Yeah, you really don’t need to be Mark Lombardi to figure that one out…
Their news sources aren’t saying the first part. That or the idiots ignore it. Or they just can’t put two and two together.
oligarchy owned media does support this, I just wish we could shift this Overton window back to a sensible level.
MAGAts are either too stupid or don’t care because they’re getting what they want.
USA and Russia bothe want a weak EU. That is all,
I mean individual parts of the EU also want this, as they are Russia’s puppet, we all have criminals and traitors in our yards to deal with.
If that is the case they’ve been making very dumb decisions in the last 10 years for that. Threatening Europe with attacks if they don’t abandon Ukraine has increased military cooperation within the EU and military spending when Trump threatened to not help if they didn’t reach a certain military spending threshold, Trump increasing tarrifs on the EU, the largest importer from and exporter to the US has made EU start investing in open source technologies and to disentangle themselves from much of what has made the US rich since the end of WW2, the US manufacturing and technology sectors, Trump threatening Greenland has raised EU hackles as most of the member states are members of NATO and has forced them to re-evaluate their military partnership with the US on many levels, being one of the main reasons there is not even token support for operations in Iran, Russia’s 3 day military operation in Ukraine and their destruction of cables and potential destruction of pipelines to create price shocks and increase overall prices for Russian oil has led to countries previously very reliant on Russian oil toturn to France for nuclear power, to renewables, or to pay for higher prices for oil from the middle east (with plans to decouple from most oil as soon as they can to stop being forced into political situations over energy costs). That doesn’t sound like them getting weakened but them decoupling their economies and getting over the growing pains to stand on their own against the stupidity of the US and Russia.
Okay, what Trump wants and what he gets as a result of his stupid decisions are two different things. Trump lives in a fantasy world full of fake news. Take Iran: Does Trump really think he knows anything about diplomacy, and does he just call them “bastards” to get what he wants? No, Trump and his supporters are just as stupid as you think.
Hungary is Putin’s lapdog, effectively supports Russia in Ukraine and sabotages the EU from within. As well as Victor Orban being the enemy of basic democratic norms.
The Trump administration literally sees the EU as their enemy. Trump wants to break up the EU because the EU is strong enough to protect EU members against Trump. Trump wants Europe to be a weaker group of small countries, that Trump can individually exploit in one-sided trade deals. The Trump administration hates Democracy, and hates us.
Europe should kick america out of NATO✌️
America first means stumping for fascist leaders halfway around the world apparently.
So fuck Vance, but it seems to be perfectly consistent with America First?
For Trump “America First” means exploiting other countries. If Vance can get an exploitable government elected in Hungary, then why wouldn’t it be good for “America First”?
It is a stated goal for Trump to break up the EU. To be able to force one-sided trade deals with weaker isolated countries instead. Victor Orban is the person doing most to sabotage the EU. Hence it is in “America First”'s interest for Orban to be reelected.
While at the same time blaming the EU for meddling with the election
Projection is the backbone of both Russian and MAGA propaganda.
America First as defined by Trump explicitly means “We can fuck with you, you can’t fuck with us”. They are not hiding it or packaging it in moral terms of universal ethics or the golden rule.
So there is no “gocha” moment here. Trump explicitly doesn’t think EU countries are his equal, so appealing to hypocrisy is meaningless. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do.
No one is appealing to Trump. The comments are rather directed towards Europeans stupid or corrupt enough to cheer to Putin and Trump.
It’s not so much surprise at what he does, but more that he can get away with it, and even more that there is no force stopping him from within the USA. Let alone that he still has a massive backup in the population compared to his actions
Looking in from the outside, it seems to me that large parts of the US population have no moral compass. Putin is comic book evil, and yet large parts of Republican voters think Putin is a great guy. In non-Soviet Russia, of all shithole places.
Couch Guyliner doing his best to destroy democracy everywhere. Not that this is news for any of us.
And we’'ll remember it.
Seems an odd choice for the second highest executive branch sycophant when the boss is planning to annihilate and entire civilization in a few hours. What exactly does he do as vice president that gives him this sort of free time? Why are we paying for this?
I’m trying to imagine Mohammad bin Salman or Kim Ju Ae going on a “re-elect President Trump” tour of the US. I can’t imagine it would be received well by either party. Can’t imagine why JD thinks this is a good idea. Maybe I’m just not that good at imagining.
It wasn’t Vance, it was Orban. Orban’s been desperate for Trump’s attention and support because in his mind, Trump is doing the same thing he is in a much larger, more powerful country. He’s trying to show his base he has a strong ally abroad.
It’s ridiculous though. Orban’s campaign is all about opposing war (meaning Ukraine should capitulate) because it’s wrecking the economy. But his “ally” attacks Iran causing another crisis and sends his peon most Hungarians don’t even know or care about. I just really hope people don’t fall for this bullshit this time around.
Yeah, send the couch fucker, that’ll surely get the people out to vote.
Yeah, send the couch fucker, that’ll surely get the people out to vote.
I’m hoping it will…for Orbán’s opponent Péter Magyar.
Gavrilo Princip, where art thou?
