• DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    3·
    7 days ago

    If there’s one thing I’ll never understand about reactionaries, is how they know they’re the bad guys and love it, but they also really really REALLY demand to be forgiven for everything!

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
    53·
    9 days ago

    It’s telling that they believe pardoning Hitler would guarantee he survives.

    As we all know, no one is allowed to be mad at you anymore if the government pardons you.

  • SerialExperimentsGay [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    34·
    8 days ago

    If the blue button worked, he would let himself be captured by the Red Army, confess to everything he did, publicly denounce all his views and admit his total and utter failure as a leader. Then he’d be sentenced to death and he’d accept the verdict.

    This, in turn, would just mean that all remaining nazis start simping for Rudolf Hess or some other unrepentend fascist trying to be more Hitler than Hitler. For some nazi ultras, that was already literally what happened, they glaze Hess because he didn’t kill himself and never showed remorse. They do a pathetic little march to his grave every year solely because of that. You cannot fix fascism by killing or reforming one guy, no matter how much the nazis themselves believe in great man theory. If their great man lets them down, they will find a way to cope. They are nazis, disavowing reality in favor of a mythology that justifies all of their crimes and makes them feel less pathetic is the one thing these nihilist fucks believe in.

    So i’d press the red button, at least then i get to be the girl who killed Hitler. The actually important question is where to find the button that makes Stalin not stop at Berlin, but that would require the US not to have nukes. Alternative history is kinda pointless tbh.

  • DogThatWentGorp [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    26·
    9 days ago

    Im picking which ever ends in the complete destruction of the German State nerd

    The lib that cooked up this hypothetical probably meant atonement like in a “oh he’s nice and so sad and docile now ahaha” kinda way but in reality it would probably involve him trying to hand Germany to the communists and helping them hunt down every last nazi.

    That being said, if killing him with a magic button fucks up operation paperclip because none of the nazis want to be publicly known about so they don’t get button-killed that could do some real good too.

    That one’s complicated. I feel like letting him live would just result in him being killed anyways and kinda nullify the benefits.

    Figuring out how to use this hypothetical to fuck over nazism as a whole is wayyyyy more interesting than the lame-ass moralizing it was originally doing.

      • All Ice In Chains@lemmy.mlEnglish
        33·
        9 days ago

        It ignores the 6 million ethnic Poles. There’s a 3 million overlap between the 2, so that’s 9 million and leaves 3 million people. These 3 million were made up of Roma, the intellectually disabled, comunists/socialists, liberals (ironically), trade unionists, Jehovah’s witnesses, the LGBT, Slavs, and other forms of dissidents accounting to roughly 12 million in the camps alone, which itself ignores the war dead, which I believe in total was like 30 million? I honestly forget that one but it feels really depressing that I know that much off the top of my head. 🫩

        Also I think civilians killed by Nazis along the way tends to get lumped in with war dead which really minimizes their suffering and powerlessness but they’re predominantly Slavs so western schools taught me they don’t matter because western liberal ideologies are indistinguishable from that of the Nazis.

        • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          13·
          8 days ago

          IIRC the full numbers are along the lines of 11-12 million civilian captives killed, with ~16 million total captives including PoWs killed, and then the total deaths not restricted to captives easily exceeds 30 million.

        • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
          10·
          9 days ago

          i do understand separating war dead from the camps because war was something people could wrap their heads around or had seen the previous great war while the industrialization of the extermination is what was new and uniquely horrifying to people. the whole war wasn’t the thing we named holocaust etc

          there’s some sense in which the conflict that happened post-great war could have been something other than the one we know but i don’t think there’s nazis that don’t do the holocaust

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    25·
    9 days ago

    I press the blue button because Hitler will proceed to kill himself not out of guilt but out of a newly found moral conviction that justice will only be served with his death.

  • test_ [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    20·
    9 days ago

    Sure, I’d press the “turn him into a good person” button, but that button doesn’t exist, it never has and never will.

    I mean, yeah, imagine if you could just “turn people good” in an instant. That’s the ideal solution. We wouldn’t even be in this mess. Just solve capitalism lmao. “God, what the fuck have I been doing? All this wealth, from other people’s labor?? No, no, hit me. I deserve it.”

  • Mutalisk [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    9 days ago

    Present Stalin himself with the magical button technology that can kill reactionaries and use my isekai cheat skill of having more Mario Party button mashing experience than anyone else on Earth in 1945 to ensure world communism xi-button

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    17·
    8 days ago

    Blue button. I’ll “pardon” him of all his crime if it keeps him from offing himself for long enough to fall into the hands of the Red Army. I guess we’ll see how heavy a liberal button manufacturer’s pardon weighs in a Soviet tribunal.