• RandomStranger@piefed.social
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    16 days ago

    but experts say coal emits carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, and several other pollutant
    What the hell is this crap reporting. It’s not like this is a contested fact or an opinion.

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          16 days ago

          Deep sea vents aren’t, unless you’re including the formation of the solar system as ‘solar’

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            15 days ago

            unless you’re including the formation of the solar system as ‘solar’.

            I did say “if you follow the trail back far enough.” Same goes for uranium. Born from supernovae (exploding stars).

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          15 days ago

          *stellar, not solar, the carbon in coal wasn’t formed by our sun but a different star far in the past

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              8 hours ago

              Very weird of me to comment 2 weeks in the making, but this comment gave me a worm brain for some reason, like I’m RFK or something. Based on the idea that something is solar powered if it has any involvement with the sun at all, I wondered if I could think of a way to tie all non-solar powered sources to the sun.

              • Tidal used solar tides, but non-tidal hydro can also be solar power if you consider that earth was formed in Sol’s accretion disk and water likely comes from comets pulled into the solar SOI (none of this is researched, just off the dome, no clue whether my yr 10 astrophysics is either outdated or completely misremembered)
              • ergo, the use of earth’s gravity to power turbines via waterfalls etc is also solar power.
              • Originally, I thought I had a gotcha with nuclear power, bc uranium DEFINITELY doesn’t have anything to do with Sol, no trees involved. But, because it uses water, you can use the same logic as hydro
              • even for Voyager, which afaik just uses the heat directly sans water, you can say that the uranium itself was first attracted to Sol’s SOI before either being deposited on earth by asteroids or included in the accretion disk during earth’s formation. (tangentially, not sure how you make a fission reactor without steel, which uses organic hydrocarbons. Titanium?)
              • The formation of the earth also allows attributing thermal and wind power to Sol.

              As a result of me realising I’m wrong despite desperately thinking I was right, I’ve decided to dedicate all 3 rubles in my possession to develop a power plant that only uses cosmic rays and other interstellar radiation (as well as neutrinos if I’m allowed to say they’re not really captured by the solar gravity well despite having mass, which I’m pretty sure I won’t be allowed to do :c ) as well as fund interstellar colonisation efforts so that we can have extra-solar sun power, maybe hawking radiation and other fun stuff too. Escape the tyranny of the sun with me, brethren! Forego local Dyson-Swarms in favour of non-solar fossil fuels!

          • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world
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            15 days ago

            Now you’re just splitting hairs. I mean we’d still call solar panels “solar panels,” even if they were collecting energy from another star (say, on an interstellar spaceship).

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        16 days ago

        Much of North America has enjoyed electricity steady enough not to think much past don’t wiz on the electric fence.

        That was a multi-generational achievement.

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        15 days ago

        Sadly from personal experience, no, the general public does not know that coal power plants work by burning coal to boil water, and are horrified at how trashy the concept is.

        High-key a great way to persuade them to support renewables. Associate coal with the image of people in underdeveloped countries burning fossil fuels in their own homes to exploit their own preconceived biases.

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          15 days ago

          Alternatively you can depict it as filthy and Victorian. Something that was once an improvement, but these days really only belongs in a museum. You can compare it to child labor and accurately point out that the Victorian era was grimy and disgusting because of how much coal was burned then.